The Sea of Self-Discovery: Paul Trammell's Voyage Beyond Addiction

Rich Bennett 0:00
Thanks for joining the conversation. Today I am joined by Anne Hints. Anne is an inspiring figure who has mastered the ability to release physical tension in her body through metal mental focus undergoing documented physical transformations, including realigning her eye sockets and growing three quarters of an inch. At the age of 56, through her YouTube channel and book a pathway to insight and shares her journey and the steps to attain insight, the ability to sense within the body. She believes that internal changes can alter personal and collective realities, and she aims to guide others on this transformative journey. So join us as Anne shares her compelling story of insight and discovery, showcasing the boundless possibilities within us all. And some of my friends and even some my co-host. Maybe you'll learn something. Then you can even grow three quarters of an inch. So I won't be cracking on you all the time. How you doing? 

Ann Hince 1:07
And I'm doing great. Thanks, Rachel. Thanks for having me. 

Rich Bennett 1:10
I first of all, two things that shocked me. 56. Come on. No way. I figured you'd be. I figured you to be like in your early forties. 

Ann Hince 1:21
And now I think that Zoom or whatever we're using, it's the cameras that make everyone look better. 

Rich Bennett 1:27
Though. Does. I think it adds weight to me, and that's my story and I'm sticking to it. But how are you? I'm just going to ask you right off, because this one this one I when I saw that, I was just shocked how in the world most people, as they get older, they shrink. How were you able to grow in three quarters of an inch? 

Ann Hince 1:49
Well, the reason I think we shrink is because we have so much baggage that we're carrying around with us from. 

Rich Bennett 1:55
I got rid of my axes. 

Ann Hince 1:57
The. Oh, sorry. No, I bet the history is still living inside of you. And that tends to compress us as we age, and we all tend to get tighter and smaller. So if we release that baggage that we've been carrying around, we actually start to loosen up. And then we can actually, it's not so much growing as it's becoming our natural height, right? It's releasing that tension. 

Rich Bennett 2:24
Oh, all right. So those of you in the beginning, friends of mine that are short. Forget it. You can't grow. 

Ann Hince 2:32
You can do little. 

Rich Bennett 2:33
You can you can relieve some of that tension if you learn how to do it throughout the years, that you'll be able to do it. So I actually the first of all, I got to ask, where are you from in I love the accent. 

Ann Hince 2:45
I'm from England, but I've been in the States for over 30 years. 

Rich Bennett 2:49
What part of England? 

Ann Hince 2:52
Well, I was born in Cornwall. I spent some time in the Midlands, but I also lived all over the world during those first years. 

Rich Bennett 2:59
Okay. Okay. So family over there in England, I think she might be a true West Ham fan now. Yeah, You're not going to hear that. 

Ann Hince 3:09
I was a Liverpool fan when I was there. 

Rich Bennett 3:12
Do you know what I think to allow that? As long as you didn't say, you know, 

Manchester, 

I think they'll let you slide some actually. Can you share pivotal moment in your journey where you truly realised the power of internal focus and its impact on physical transformation? 

Ann Hince 3:34
Well, there's two really pivotal moments. One was early on that actually started me on this journey, and then there was one two thirds of the way through this journey. But the way I would be able to understand more is the first one. So that was at the point where I, I hated myself. I hated the fact I was so reactionary and I had PTSD from growing up with my two alcoholic parents and such and that I didn't realise it. I didn't realise my childhood was affecting me. Still, in my late thirties. And it happened to like what I call a business altercation with two other mothers at my boys school. They told me I'd done something wrong and they were these self-confidence, self-assured authority type women. And I was scared mother on the inside. And they told me I'd done something wrong and my mind just spun out of control over and over. I could not stop it spinning like it was saying what I'd said, what they had said, what I'd done, what I could have done differently. Just all these different things going through my mind for three days. And it was towards the end of that that I realised two things. First of all, this was not normal, right? People didn't react that intensely, but I also realized it felt a little bit like how I would react when my dad would tell me I'd done something wrong. Oh, so that was the first little inkling that maybe something from my childhood was still affecting me. And that was the beginning of my journey. 

Rich Bennett 5:08
Okay, so let's let's go back to your childhood, because you said both your parents were alcoholics. 

Ann Hince 5:13
Yes. During my teenage years. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 5:16
Okay. So how was that on your mental health? And we mentioned PTSD, but. 

Ann Hince 5:24
I used to say I'm living in hell because my dad would would get up in the morning and drink until closing pub, closing time in the afternoon, and my mother would start drinking in the afternoon and would be drunk all evening. So there was like a small window in the morning where they felt like normal people and like you could talk to them and, you know, you could trust what they said, but later in the day you just couldn't. 

Rich Bennett 5:49
Now, did you have do you have any siblings or was it just you? 

Ann Hince 5:53
I have had a sibling. He was two years older than me. We were adopted. So we were adopted from families. But he went down the same route. So he actually died a few years ago of multi-organ failure from drinking 

while. 

Rich Bennett 6:08
Okay, so. So these were your adoptive parents that were de alcoholics? 

Ann Hince 6:13
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 6:14
Oh, God. 

Ann Hince 6:15
I have an unusual family. Yes. I was adopted at six weeks, so my birth mother actually is still alive and lives in New Zealand. So my father, the birth father, never knew I existed. He already passed. I found out about him on Ancestry just a year or so ago, but he'd already passed by then. 

Rich Bennett 6:32
So Ancestry is amazing, isn't it? I'm fine. I got a lot of relatives. I don't. I never even heard of. So now you say you've been in you've been in contact with your real mother? 

Ann Hince 6:44
Yeah, I met her when I was 17. She found. She said kept. She was given the wrong adoption papers at my adoption, so she happened to find out. 

Rich Bennett 6:55
My. 

Ann Hince 6:55
Dad's surname and the little village that he lived in. And there was only one big employer in that village. And her cousin worked for the same employer. So she found the company magazine. They had company magazines back then because it was a big. Yeah. And so she followed us. She she knew when I was moving to different countries and when I was 17, she contacted me and then my adopted mother died when I was 19. I found her dead on the bathroom floor. So that was kind of two years of overlap with two mothers and then kind of reverted back to my birth mother. 

Rich Bennett 7:31
All right, Wait a minute. Oh, God. Okay. All right. First of all, how old were you when you realized you were adopted? 

Ann Hince 7:38
I was told when I was 13. 

Rich Bennett 7:41
When you were 13? 

Ann Hince 7:42
Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 7:43
I if you don't mind me asking, what went through your mind when you were told you were adopted? Who was it that told you? 

Ann Hince 7:51
My mother. Because we were moving back to this little village and she was afraid someone would say. 

Rich Bennett 7:55
Your adoption mother? 

Ann Hince 7:57
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 7:58
Okay. What was going through your mind when she told you this? 

Ann Hince 8:04
I don't remember exactly. I was I was pretty shocked. And I at the time, things were not good. My dad had a very short temper, was very angry. Things were not good at home. So I was kind of hoping, well, maybe my birth mother is. It's different, right? Maybe things could be different. And so, yes, I was hopeful that things could be better, that I could have come from better parents. And I think I did. 

Rich Bennett 8:28
Yeah. So 13, is that when you decided you were going to start looking for your real mother? 

Ann Hince 8:34
I wasn't allowed until I was 18, but she found me when I was 17, so I never had to look. 

Rich Bennett 8:40
What do you mean? You weren't allowed. 

Ann Hince 8:41
Legally and not allowed to look for your birth parents. At least this was in England. Really? Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 8:52
Holy cow. I didn't know that. 

Ann Hince 8:56
Mm hmm. I don't know what it's like here. 

Rich Bennett 8:59
I hope it's not like that, because here it is. You're. You're a child. You're going through all this stuff with two parents that are drinking all the time. I would think that it would be okay for you to look for your your real mother to find out. Number one, if you could be better off, if you can't be better off, then that's got to still help with your mindset, I would think. 

Ann Hince 9:24
Yeah, that's cool. I mean, it's called a closed adoption. I think they have a long, open adoption these days, but then it was the only option, I believe. 

Rich Bennett 9:33
Wow. Okay. So are your before your your mother passed, how were you handling everything yourself, you know, with your mental health and everything? 

Ann Hince 9:47
Because. Sure. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 9:48
You weren't. 

Ann Hince 9:49
I wasn't. We didn't talk about anything. We just went on with life. We never talked about emotions. We never talked about, you know, how we felt about anything that happened. My mother actually died from cancer. It was throat and lung cancer that she had. And we were told one time that she had it. We never talked about it again. 

Rich Bennett 10:10
Really? 

Ann Hince 10:12
Yeah. We just didn't know how to talk about things like that. 

Rich Bennett 10:15
Wow. Well, you know. Well, I can understand that now because, I mean, growing up, you know, with me, it was the same way. People weren't as open as they are now. You know, you really didn't have the Internet. You didn't have you didn't even really have support groups that you could go to. 

Ann Hince 10:36
And and I didn't know I didn't know therapists existed, not that I would have gone to one, but I didn't know that that was a thing. 

Rich Bennett 10:43
Yeah. I mean, with kids. Yeah. When we were kids, what was that? We were always told. 

So when an adult is I can't, I'm not, I'm going to mess up the saying anyways. Kids weren't meant to be heard. They were meant to be seen or something like that. 

Ann Hince 10:59
Yes. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 11:00
Yeah. I mean you. Yeah. You didn't really you didn't speak about things and you could not question an adult. 

Ann Hince 11:11
No. My dad loved the fact that he could control us. He could click his fingers and tell us yes with his finger to walk out the room. And we would do that. And other people would be amazed. They couldn't believe that they would. He someone like that would control his children so much. 

Rich Bennett 11:27
Well, now, you found your mother on the bathroom floor, you said. 

Ann Hince 11:32
Yes. She one of the tumours in her throat burst and I woke up and found her on the bathroom floor. So that was a good sized trauma. That was that was quite intense at the time and I was the only one in the house. And so yeah, but again, I didn't know what to do about it, right? So I just suppressed it all and carried on with life. 

Rich Bennett 11:53
Oh 

wow, I'm speechless. Here you. It was a tumor that burst. 

Ann Hince 12:04
You said. Yeah. So a bit messy, really. 

Rich Bennett 12:07
All right, So. Well, I guess it. 

Ann Hince 12:10
Was in her throat, right? So she was always coughing. She was over 90% of the day. Right? And one time it worked. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:19
And this was in England, so. 

Ann Hince 12:21
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 12:21
But were you here in the States? 

Ann Hince 12:23
In England? I moved out. I, I was at university, so I continued and finished my degree and moved out to the States when I was 21. 

Rich Bennett 12:31
Okay. So when you found your mother, Well, I don't know how it works over there in England back then. I mean, we they don't have a911 right. 

Ann Hince 12:40
They can be 999. 

Rich Bennett 12:42
999. Okay. So is that what you did. You called nine nine, nine right away. 

Ann Hince 12:46
I did, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:47
Then your father. 

Ann Hince 12:49
My father. A little later. He was working in Saudi Arabia at the time, but I had to find my brother who is at his girlfriend's house. So I had to call his workplace and get to get him home. 

Rich Bennett 12:58
Oh, my God. 

Holy cow. 

Ann Hince 13:04
How? 

Rich Bennett 13:06
Man? Okay. 

Okay, So you found her calling him. You said you were in your you're at university at the time, so you're basically him visiting, I take. 

Ann Hince 13:17
It I was in I was doing a degree that's called a thin sandwich. So was a thin sandwich. Not a thick sandwich, but a thin sandwich. So I was at university six months and then at home I was actually working from home, working, living at home and working nearby for six months of the year. So it's it's a little different offence. 

Rich Bennett 13:40
Sandwich. 

Ann Hince 13:41
Yeah, Yes, a thick sand, which is where you do a year at university than a year in industry and then another year at university. A thin sandwich is what you do. Six months, six months, six months, six months and then a year. 

Rich Bennett 13:53
Keith Then you got a lot of explaining to do to me because you didn't inform me about all this stuff. Holy cow, I, 

I would get lost. I would definitely get lost. Okay, so let's move ahead here. So you found your your your real mother found you a you when you were 17? 

Ann Hince 14:18
She did, Yes. 

Rich Bennett 14:19
Okay. All right. Can you walk us through that? What was that like when you first met her? 

Ann Hince 14:24
That was huge. It was so emotional. It was one of the emotional things that I've ever been through. And I could not look her in the eye. I could not lift my eyes off of the ground to raise them up. To look at her was so hard to do, and I've never experienced that before. Wow. But it was it was you know, it was interesting. It was fun. When I did it, she she brought her son so my half brother with her. And we looked pretty much like we enjoyed similar things. We like the same drinks. So it was kind of fun to hear that and see that. And yeah, that's good. 

Rich Bennett 15:02
I bet it was kind of scary too as well. 

Ann Hince 15:05
Oh, absolutely it was. I knew nothing. I knew nothing about her, so she was pretty normal. 

Rich Bennett 15:12
Okay, so when you met her, I take it she came there? 

Ann Hince 15:18
Yes. Well, we both met in her. We met in a bar. 

Rich Bennett 15:22
Okay. 

That had to be hard for you to do that. 

Ann Hince 15:30
It must have been hard for my parents, too, though, right? 

Rich Bennett 15:33
Oh, they were with you? 

Ann Hince 15:34
Yes, we were all together. We all met together. 

Rich Bennett 15:40
In a pub? 

Ann Hince 15:41
Yes. 

All right. 

Rich Bennett 15:48
Your book is all is. Is all this in your book? 

Ann Hince 15:51
No, none of this is in my book. I feel like we go through what we go through. Whatever we go through to get where we are now. Right? So I went through all this trauma in my childhood so that I could release it, that that gives me the depth of awareness that I have now. Whereas if I, if I had a people who have really happy, healthy childhoods, they don't do this deep in at work because they don't feel a need to of us who have had traumas are more likely to do this deep in at work just the way it is. 

Rich Bennett 16:24
You've got another book inside you do there. I mean, holy because you think of it, there are a lot of I'm sure there are other people going through everything that you went through. 

Ann Hince 16:34
And and worse. 

Rich Bennett 16:36
Yeah. And unlike back in the day here you are talking about it. And I think it would help those people as well because, you know, especially if they think they can't talk about it. Well, look, here's this young lady talking about it. Here's this gentleman talking about it. Yes, it is. Okay to talk about. Yeah. So was the PTSD. What did you do to 

manage? I want to say controller, because I don't think that ever goes away. It might it. 

Ann Hince 17:11
Does go away, but it's not by controlling it. 

Rich Bennett 17:14
Okay. So I won't be able to do well. 

Ann Hince 17:18
It was in that time frame about business altercation. I went to a doctor's appointment. I can't remember why I went to it. It was nothing to do with my mental health, but he was a holistic physician, so he had more tools in his toolbox than many doctors do. Yeah, and he recognised that I was more stressed than I should be because I was a stay at home mother with two healthy young boys. Right. It should have been pretty relatively easy, you know, young kids and all that easy. But and so he asked me on my on the scale of 0 to 10 what my stress level was, and I said it was an eight. And then he asked me why. And it was that question that made me realise, oh, it was finding my mother dead on the bathroom floor when I was 19 because the tears from that event were still just under the surface all those years later because I hadn't dealt with it well. So he happened to know this technique that is called DFT, which is short for emotional freedom technique. It's also called tapping because we're tapping on certain places on our body as we're talking something through. So we're often talking at people, we're talking therapy and such. The difference here is that you're tapping on these places on the body and that releases the energy or the emotion that is stuck in the nervous system from the memory that you bring it up. So he talked with me about my mother's death for about 15 minutes, and I walked away being able to tell the story in my mind for the first time ever without the tears there. That's when I realized we hold all those memories and all those emotions physically in our body and we let them go. 

Rich Bennett 18:50
I never heard of that technique. 

Ann Hince 18:53
It's very popular. It's actually it's been around for quite a long time. It was given away by Gary Craig, who developed it for free. So anyone can go online and learn it. And that's what I did. I went home, I learned everything I could about it, but I'm kind of skeptical. I don't know about you, but I'm kind of skeptical. So I wasn't sure that this 115 minute thing with my doctor really made a big difference. So I wanted to try it out myself. So I had this thing happen. So I had the 17 year old cat at home at the time and he was starting to fail. His kidneys was starting to fail. And we went, Yeah, yeah, it's pretty old. And we were told we had to give him a daily stay like shot, like an injection of saline solution to keep him going longer. And the first time I gave him that shot, my hand was shaking so badly. It was so stressful for me to do that. So I thought, Let me try out this technique. So I tapped I tapped on these points as I was talking through what I was feeling. So I tapped about my my hand shaking. I tapped about my fear of hurting my cat. And I tapped about all the injections, all the memories of injections I had had over the years. And I had many because we moved around the world. 

Rich Bennett 20:05
Right. 

Ann Hince 20:06
And the next day when I gave him that shot, the needle just slid right in. All that fear that had been sitting inside of me the day before had totally disappeared. And that's when I realized, okay, this is really powerful and I'm going to start using it. 

Rich Bennett 20:20
For a minute there. I thought you were telling me you were tapping on the cat. 

Ann Hince 20:24
You can. But no, I didn't know that at the time. 

Rich Bennett 20:28
Well, I was going to say because I've heard I've had some money on it. Does was it the crystal Reiki who also does it on animals? 

Ann Hince 20:36
But it wasn't the cat that was afraid. It was me. 

Rich Bennett 20:39
Well, yeah, I would not want you to give me a needle either of my. Your hand shake. Right. That's amazing. So the next day, no problems whatsoever? 

Ann Hince 20:49
No, it was. It was eye opening to me to realize that you can get through something that feels so intense just by releasing it from the body. So that made me realize, you know, all these emotions, all these memories that we have that we're kind of scared to look at. I was scared to go back in history. It's really just energy that is stuck in the body. And if we can find a way to let it release, it will. And there is peace on the other side. We just got to get that. 

Rich Bennett 21:17
All right. So this this will only work, I guess, with 

well, I guess whatever is in your your mental state, not physical in other words, like pinched nerves or arthritis, stuff like that, it probably wouldn't work for it, right. 

Ann Hince 21:33
Oh yeah. You can use it for anything. You can use it for pain. Come on. Oh, absolutely. 

Yeah. Because you're talking to yourself about things, right? So you if you have arthritis, you probably have the first time you were diagnosed. What happened? What happened when you were first First felt it coming on, Right. Did something happen around that time? Do you have history in your family around it? Right. Have you had heard stories of your grandmother having arthritis? And what are those stories that are replaying in your mind? So there's all sorts of aspects to something like arthritis. This including the pain, right? So you can tap on how painful it is when you move a certain way or whatever you can. It's still just releasing that energy that is stuck in the nervous system. 

Rich Bennett 22:20
Okay. 

Wow. I this is this blows me away. I just. 

All right, like, let's say you have pain in your back because you really can't tap your back. So can you actually have. 

Ann Hince 22:35
You know, tapping on your body, always tapping on the same places? There's nine places. You just tap them over and over again. Oh, that's the ends of Meridian System. So it's a little bit like acupressure or AQ puncture your that's specific places that affect the whole body. So this whole series of places will work on the whole body. 

Rich Bennett 22:56
Oh, I got to give this stuff a try. 

Ann Hince 22:59
Okay, good. 

Rich Bennett 23:00
I I'm serious because I've never heard of this. Hey, wait. How come my chiropractor never told me about this? They're more or less doing something similar there. Oh, that's just wrong. Oh. 

Ann Hince 23:14
Well, this is free. So there are some people who don't want to using it, right? Because you're not going to be paying them all. 

Rich Bennett 23:21
Push me way too, because you said you learned how or you went to the doctor and then you went home and you found it on YouTube. 

Ann Hince 23:29
Right? Yes. 

Rich Bennett 23:30
Sure. All right. How long have you been doing this now? 

Ann Hince 23:33
Well, that was my late thirties and I am now 56. So. Yeah, 18 years or so, but but I moved on from there. It's been a journey, so, I mean, I still tap, I still use the break. But things started to change so fast. And what I realized is doing is it's opening up the subconscious mind, which is kind of our body. That's where we store all those memories. And as that happens, our self awareness deepens. Now, these are terms that may not mean anything to you. They never meant anything to me. I had to experience this to understand it. But when I started this journey, if someone had asked me how I was doing, I would always say I'm fine because I wasn't aware of how I actually felt. I wasn't aware of my emotions. But as I did more and more tapping, I became aware of my emotions and then I became aware at a deeper level, which is the sensations, the physical sensations underneath the emotions. So like, imagine you're feeling frustrated, you're actually holding yourself tight in certain areas and you can become aware of that. I could not. To begin with. Some of you might not be able to right now, but you can, as you start releasing that stock energy from your traumas and such, you become aware at a deeper level. 

Rich Bennett 24:48
Wow. 

Ann Hince 24:50
And when I was aware at that level, I didn't need to use EFT as much because I was in a group at the time. We were studying A Course in Miracles, which is not particularly relevant, but the head of that group, the kind of guru type person in that group, would say every week, you don't have to meditate. It's all about feeling your feelings. But when he first said that, I didn't know what my feelings were. But as the weeks went by and I did more and more tapping outside of the group, I eventually became aware, okay, I'm aware of these feelings now. So what does it mean to feel your feelings? And I had to teach myself how to do that. 

Rich Bennett 25:28
So actually, can you or have you combined the two meditation and the tapping? Is that the right word? Tapping? 

Ann Hince 25:36
Yeah, maybe. That's cool talking. Yeah, that's an easy phrasing. Yes. Okay. 

Rich Bennett 25:43
Have you, have you or can you even combine the two tapping in meditation? 

Ann Hince 25:48
Meditation is such a complex term because there's so many different forms of meditation. 

Rich Bennett 25:53
Well, that's true. Yeah. 

Ann Hince 25:55
Yeah. So I have never said that I meditate. I don't count it as meditation. Some people say what I'm doing now at this deepest level is meditation, but I don't really think of it that way. But what it does, it, it hones your ability to focus. Okay, So, you know, some people think that's kind of like meditation. So it's not I would say it's not meditation because you're actually physically moving. And I think there's a lot of meditations where you're trying to be still and you're trying to still the mind. This is not we're trying to accept what the mind is thinking because it's thinking those thoughts for a reason, because that energy of those thoughts is stuck in the body. So we start to accept, acknowledge and feel those feelings around those thoughts. The feelings I mean, sorry, the the thoughts stop coming, which is mind blowing. I mean, it was mind blowing for me to realize that my mind was finally quiet. And all the criticisms, the self judgments and the criticisms of other people that used to be in my mind were no longer there. And I realized they had been my dad's thoughts and my dad's words that I had taken on as my own, and my mind kept replaying them, but I couldn't see that until they were gone. I had to get to the place that my mind was quiet and then I could look back and see, okay, those had been my dad's words. 

Rich Bennett 27:24
I'll be darn all right. So how do you think individuals can start tapping somebody like myself into their internal power, especially if they've never engaged in, say, mindfulness or focused practices before? 

Ann Hince 27:44
Well, the first step is always to start noticing when you're feeling emotional during the day. So, you know, if you're getting frustrated, don't just be frustrated. Right. Stand back and notice, okay? I am getting frustrated. Until you do that, you can't actually do anything about it. So to begin with, for me at least, I can only do it maybe once a day. But as I noticed that that I would tap I accept the feeling. I'm feeling frustrated right now because this happened or that happened on our tap, as I taught myself through that, not bring myself back to peace. And then I carried on my day and notice the next time I'm getting emotional and do the same thing and then things start to change. 

Rich Bennett 28:30
Huh? And you teach this on your YouTube channel, right? 

Ann Hince 28:34
I do have some videos on there, but you have to. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 28:37
I think I because I know what I'm going to be doing. We're done. Actually taking it back. I know what I'm going to be doing well after I finish editing later. Yeah, I this is this is God, I cannot wait to try this now. I'm serious. It's funny because in the beginning you said, you know, talking about being skeptical at first. Yeah, I would be skeptical. Would talking to you already is like, Oh, hell yeah. I got to try this. 

Ann Hince 29:03
I definitely got to try it. 

Rich Bennett 29:06
One of the things you mentioned do or did I mentioned in your introduction, you said it helped realign your eye sockets. 

Ann Hince 29:16
Right? So we've only talked really about the first step on my journey. Yes. So what? When I told myself how to feel my feelings, so let me explain that a little bit. So I was actually sitting standing at the kitchen sink doing the dishes, and I noticed a thought that had some emotion behind it. So maybe it's something like as simple as I'm afraid of making this phone call that I have to make. Right? Okay. So then I would notice where the fear was, and I could feel fear in my solar plexus. So this guy kept saying, It's all about feeling your feeling. So how can I focus on feeling this feeling of fear? And I realized to do it I had to hold myself like a statue. I couldn't breathe. If I took a deep breath, I would lose my focus. Or if I moved, I would lose my focus. I realized I had to hold myself like a statue at the place in my breath where I could feel the fear and I would just hold myself at a statue. Like a statue. And I would talk to the fear. So, okay, I can feel you. I can feel this fear in my solar plexus. I just want to feel you. I just want to allow you to be felt. But we so could suppress it. I was so good at suppressing my feelings. It was really hard to focus on that fear to begin with. But it took practice and I got better at it. Now, obviously, I have to take a deep breath at some point and then I would think the same. So again, I'm afraid of making this vocal feel that fear and it would have diminished slightly. So I would do the same thing again and again and again until there was no longer any fear connected to that thought. And then that thought becomes free and then it becomes easy to make the phone call. 

Rich Bennett 30:58
So how long would something like that? Well, I guess everybody's different. But was you how long did that take? 

Ann Hince 31:03
Just a couple of minutes. They really I mean, obviously it got easier as I went along, but. But yeah, but you weren't tapping. 

Rich Bennett 31:11
You were just feeling it. 

Ann Hince 31:13
Just becoming a statue and the physical sensation. So feel it's so it's out of the thinking mind. I'm not thinking. I'm feeling so, you know. How does your left knee feel right now? Right. Focus. You're feeling your senses on your left knee. That's what I'm doing, right? I'm not thinking about that. I'm feeling it. 

Rich Bennett 31:35
I'm 

interesting. So, like, with me. So, like. Like last night, my shoulder was killing me. So I just sit there, and when. 

Ann Hince 31:49
People at pain just. 

Rich Bennett 31:51
Feel that pain. 

Ann Hince 31:53
Talk to it. 

Rich Bennett 31:54
Take it. But taking a deep breath and just hold it. 

Ann Hince 31:57
Don't take a deep breath. Stay in your breath where you are when you're feeling the pain. 

Rich Bennett 32:02
So stop breathing. 

Ann Hince 32:03
Yeah, 

yeah. Have your lung capacity. No, no. Okay. Feel it then. Take a deep breath and do it again and again and again. Right. Each time you hold yourself like a statue, and then you take a deep breath, and then you do it again. 

Rich Bennett 32:22
Okay? Thank God there, because I would have passed out it. 

Ann Hince 32:26
Me too late. 

Rich Bennett 32:27
So when you when you're doing this, does it matter what position you're in, whether you're laying down, sitting up, standing? 

Ann Hince 32:35
It doesn't often it's easier, obviously, if you're laying down. But as I said, I was doing the dishes the first time I tried it, but then afterwards I started using this. Then every day, instead of doing the tapping, I would feel the feelings instead. And in the evening I forgot to say with doing FTA, I wanted things to go faster after I'd done it on a daily basis, I wanted things to go fast because I could feel changes happening. So I wrote down every trauma that I could remember from my childhood. Big ones, little ones, phrases, and I tapped through one each night for an hour to an hour and a half each night. I was determined. 

Rich Bennett 33:11
Wow. 

Ann Hince 33:14
So things started to move really fast. And then, you know, when I was doing the feeling, the feelings, I would lay on the sofa in the evening instead of doing that hour to an hour and a half of tapping, I would lay on the sofa and feel feelings, but I would feel collective traumas at that point. Something like 911, right? We all had our own experience of 911. So I would bring those memories to mind and just feel those emotions that I had suppressed at the time and just allow the energy to release. And that was huge. So that's kind of what I talk my second step, it was during that process of lying on the sofa one night I realized I could keep my awareness inside my body after the tension had released, which was crazy. I'd never heard of it before, never experienced before. I didn't know what I was doing, to be honest. 

Rich Bennett 34:04
Right. 

Ann Hince 34:05
And I kind of explain it like this, so see if you can follow. So if you have a toothache or a stomach ache, you can feel where that pain. You can sense where that pain is coming from. 

Rich Bennett 34:17
Yes, right. 

Ann Hince 34:18
But once the pain has left, you can't find that place again, can't sense it inside of you, because there's nothing calling your attention to it anymore. I found that I could I could keep my awareness inside. And I was working on my abdomen at time. I could keep my awareness inside there. And then I started to play with it because I figured I could I could just play with it. So I realized I could do it a second time so that I move my awareness around inside. And I realized I could find tension inside compared to no tension. And then I would do the same thing. I would focus on it, hold my breath, and it would release a little bit and then I would do it again and again and again. And that's how I started to release physical tension inside the body. 

Rich Bennett 35:05
Okay, So as you're holding your breath, you're just standing still like a statue and focus and focusing on the pain. 

Ann Hince 35:17
Or the tension. 

Rich Bennett 35:19
Or detention. 

Ann Hince 35:19
Right. 

Rich Bennett 35:22
Wow. Okay. Because most people would think if you're focusing on the pain or the tension, it would just get worse. 

Ann Hince 35:29
Absolutely. I know. That's that's that's what culture has taught us. But really, it's calling pain is calling for attention. And I think that word the word attention is at tension. So you're getting attention. You're giving it the attention it wants. 

Rich Bennett 35:50
Oh, look at that. Oh, the good play on words. I like that. They they need I need a respect attention there. That I like that. That is. But that's a good point. 

Ann Hince 36:04
Yeah, it is. Now, sometimes it does feel like it becomes more intense, but that's kind of because your your focus on it has honed. So it's probably pain coming from one specific point, but you can't tell that yet, right? It's kind of diffuse the pain. You can't tell exactly where it's coming from. As you do more and more in this work, you can find the exact place, the pain is coming from, so it might feel a little bit more intense, but really it's more focused. And then you just give it more and more attention and it releases little by little. 

Rich Bennett 36:42
Okay, so you started this. You said you were 30 when they started all this late thirties. Late thirties. If you don't mind me, ask you what what's your original? I mean, what was your what's your career? What is it that you actually did after university and everything. 

Ann Hince 37:00
That. 

Rich Bennett 37:01
Was like you would be a doctor or something. 

Ann Hince 37:03
Seriously, I had a degree in computer science and I was a software engineer. 

Oh. 

Rich Bennett 37:12
Wow. Okay, well, that wasn't your calling. 

Ann Hince 37:15
This is that was one of the things I loved about Gary Craig, who developed EFT. He was a chemical engineer. So, you know, it gave me more confidence in it. But I think that having that kind of engineering mind has allowed me to piece together the steps that I went through, which helps me share it. 

Rich Bennett 37:35
Okay, so you do the YouTube channel, you have the book. Do you actually go out and speak to people as well about this? 

Ann Hince 37:44
I want to be, but I haven't done. 

Rich Bennett 37:47
I think you have to 

seriously. I think you have to because I mean, this is just amazing. 

Ann Hince 37:54
Anyone who's listening that would like me to come and talk, I'm well, I'm quite happy to. 

Rich Bennett 37:58
She's here in the States now, so it's a lot easier for her to get around. 

Ann Hince 38:01
So but yeah, I think people need to know this. They need to know I'm sorry. I didn't know this was. I didn't know it was possible before to do this. 

Rich Bennett 38:11
Now, this is the first I've heard about it. And I'm glad I'm God, I'm glad you contacted me because I this is something I just cannot wait to try it now. I'm serious. I cannot wait to try it. And don't worry, Dr. Cat, I'll still come to the office every six weeks for the chiropractor. Here. 

Ann Hince 38:32
You 

and. 

Rich Bennett 38:35
I. Serious? Because it just as we get older, you know. Well, yeah, I see that tension throughout the years. Just builds up and builds up and builds up. And something that I mentioned before I went through anxiety. Depression was even suicidal. But one of the things that helped me, which I want to get your input on this, I think you know where I'm going. One of the things was a movie which became a book called The Secret, talking about a line in yourself with the Law of Attraction. But that actually did help me. Now you have a slightly different way of thinking about the law of attraction, don't you? 

Ann Hince 39:20
I do. 

Rich Bennett 39:20
Yes, I can. Can you explain that? 

Ann Hince 39:24
Okay. So I do think that we attract things from who we are, but it's not just our thoughts. A lot of the secret is about thoughts. It's like, no No, it's about the whole of us. The whole of us is a signal. And it becomes obvious when you think about it, right? If you some if you walked out in a dress, you would get different things attracted back to you, right? People would say different things than they normally say to you, Right? If I. 

Rich Bennett 39:51
Say a daisy, it's hard to. 

Ann Hince 39:52
Say if I shaved all my hair off and went outside or if I grew six inches, people would say different things, right? I would be attracting different things back into my life. So it's all of us. It's our size, it's our shape, it's our hair, it's our clothes. But the biggest thing I realize is the tension stored in our connective tissue from our past because it is huge. I didn't continue my story. Let me just finish one part of my story. 

Rich Bennett 40:22
Yeah. 

Ann Hince 40:23
So many, many of working through my torso, I was able to put my awareness inside my head and that was huge because the pain and the tension inside my head were unbelievable, almost unbearable. And that had been there. We didn't see this either. But I was born with my right foot up against my right shin and my whole body was twisted. 

So that pain and the tension in my head, in my mostly in my left cheek was part of that twist. And it had been there all 50 years at that point, but I had not been aware of it. 

Rich Bennett 41:07
The way it 

explained. Okay, you're you were born with your right foot. 

Ann Hince 41:16
What bends up against my right shin. 

Rich Bennett 41:19
And how long did it remain. 

Ann Hince 41:21
Like that? Well, I had about six weeks of physical therapy. That's why I wasn't adopted as a newborn. I was adopted at six weeks because my foot had two physical therapists. 

Rich Bennett 41:29
A baby? 

Ann Hince 41:31
Yes, but it didn't release it. All right. That's why that tension was still inside of me, that twist. I had scoliosis. I have scoliosis from that twist at birth. So that pain, that tension in my connective tissue all the way down my body to my right foot had been there all along. But it wasn't until I was able to feel it inside and feel how intense it was because connective tissue pulls with a force of £2,000 per square inch, which is massive. And it really does it. I mean, it's just the force is pulling my skin skull out of alignment when I could feel them was just crazy. So I would only be able to focus on it like a second at a time to begin with. But I had the technique that I knew how to do, right? Focused on it. Release, focus, release. So over time I could actually feel that tension release. There's still a lot more to go. My skull is definitely not symmetrical still, but becoming aware and it's not becoming aware of that tension inside. Right. And how much we hold from our past as tension in our connective tissue. That is the biggest part of our signal. That's why we attract the same things over and over again. And we don't understand why it's not just our thoughts. Okay? Everything. 

Rich Bennett 42:56
Wow. Do you have any more surprises you're going to throw at me? 

Ann Hince 43:02
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 43:05
I jumped. You know, it's funny because I've said this. I've had a couple of people on here and 

two of them that I can recall and everything they went through, I told them they were they were strong as women. But you. Oh, my God, You have got to be the strongest ass woman I have ever talked to. You are. So it's amazing. Amazing. And what gets me is everything you've been through. You're doing this to help your which helped you, but you're passing it on to help others. A lot of people want to do that. They would focus on themselves. You're helping others as well. And I want to thank you for that because that's just wow. 

Ann Hince 43:58
Wow. I also do it because it's fun, right? So there's two reasons I'm doing it because it's fun to share this information. And it wouldn't have been ten, 15 years ago. Right. A hat to do that. And it work to release all the emotions, all the energy around those stories. Right. Then it makes it easy to tell because it's just like talking reading from a book. And I do it because it's fun to talk at this depth and to people who are interested to hear it. It's like, because I feel better, right? But absolutely, I want other people to do this work. I want people to realize this is whole depth to life that we are not aware of. I was not aware of it. And it's just it makes life so much more fun because I felt suicidal as a teenager, too. But if I had known how much depth there was to life, how much more enjoyable life could be, I wouldn't I to be in that way I would have searched this out. So it's definitely available for other people to find too. 

Rich Bennett 44:56
Okay, so back to the eye socket so that the the part where you would just stop stain is just as a statue. That's how you were able to realign your eye socket. 

Ann Hince 45:08
It's not the right when I was inside when I could feel inside. Right. I can I can focus inside on my bones, the tension right side, my face. I focus on it and release it. Focused release. I didn't know things were going to shift. I was just after the piece, right? I want it to feel good. I'm now working on the inside. I can feel pain, tension, so I'll focus on it and release it along with that. At the same time, things shift more into alignment and that's what was happening. I could feel my skull bones relaxed, but just like I said with my dad's thoughts, I didn't know it wasn't relaxed until it was relaxed. And then I could look back and say, okay, yeah, it really was pretty tense, but I didn't know it. So that's another part. It's hidden inside of us. It's hidden from us until we're ready to look at it. 

Rich Bennett 45:58
Okay? Huh? So. 

Ann Hince 46:01
And I could feel my neck releasing, like, every time I released somewhere tension somewhere, either in my torso or my head. There would also be a release in my neck. And when I say a release, it is like a chiropractic adjustment. I actually feel and hear things pop and release. So over time my neck has released and that is, I believe is where most of the growth came from because the neck just released an Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 46:29
Well you already answer my next question and how you grew three quarters of an inch. 

Ann Hince 46:36
It that's it. 

Rich Bennett 46:37
Now I can I can see that because you're doing that like you. Well like you said in the beginning, all that tension and I think a lot of people realize all that tension builds up into you, but it's also compressing your spine. I believe it is. It's it's push it. It's like you always hear the term like a ton of bricks being lifted off your shoulders. Well, yeah. Throughout the years, we are putting a ton of bricks on our shoulders. 

Ann Hince 47:02
Absolutely. I mean, look at photos of celebrities, right, from when they were to when they're older. You'll see there's the necks have shrunk. So this process releases that. And I don't know if anyone here is religious. I'm not religious, but I do know that, like in the Bible, stiff necked people, which is a strange term. Right. But that's that's mentioned in there like 17 or 18 times as not a good thing. Right? So this releases, but it's released my neck and that has allowed me to move my head into perspective that I had never been able to move before. So I can see things mentally from different perspectives and physically from different perspectives. 

Rich Bennett 47:47
Huh? So do you actually. Well, I guess you wouldn't be a cute y. I guess it could be a coach. I don't know. I mean, do people actually call you for help? 

Ann Hince 48:00
Yeah, I do coach some people through through that. 

Rich Bennett 48:02
Oh, you do? 

Ann Hince 48:02
Okay. What do I do? I actually put together a workbook a few weeks ago that's also available, a Pathway to Insight workbook that has the questions that will bring up all your past traumas so that you can write them down. If you want to do this deep in a way, you can work through them one at a time. 

Rich Bennett 48:21
Okay, So because I've had people on here and 

like you today, they've blown me away. Some of them. I just give you an example. I had a young lady on. She's an author, a children's author, and she told me and my co-host about something that happened to her, which we were not ready for. We thought we were going to talk to her about her books. And I asked about her career and she had both of us cried tears of sadness, not not tears of joy. She has. And I would think 

what you do could help her. She has something and it was caused by a a grade school kid grabbing her arm. Complex regional pain syndrome. Have you ever heard of that? 

Ann Hince 49:16
I have. I don't know a lot about it, though, but yes, there are a lot of different aspects to that that you could work through with EFT. 

Rich Bennett 49:23
Okay. So what's out of all the people you've coached? What's probably one of the most surprising ones that you've come across this year? The type of pain or tension that they were going through that that really besides yourself, that helped out? 

Ann Hince 49:43
Well, to me, that kind of the most fun ones are the relationship ones where things have been kind of crazy and we often blame the other person, you know, And we don't think that it can be changed just by doing our own work. But it can. I mean, that's one of the reasons I started it, right? Because my household was a little bit turbulence because I was that way. But once I did look right, I was peaceful so that I attracted peace around me. So it kind of changed the whole household. And I've seen that happen with other couples, too, where where they were know, going, coming together, spilling and splitting apart, coming together, spilling apart. And it was really fun to watch them watch one of them mostly do this in a work and realize that she has control over the way she felt. And then it relaxed the relationships so that they're now stable. So that's fun. 

Rich Bennett 50:43
And I guess for something like this, you don't need a degree, right? Because it's really well, it's holistic. I mean, something you learn from YouTube, but there's not a lot of people out there that are teach it out there. 

Ann Hince 50:54
Rob It's very it is very, very popular. But one of the things about most of the most people, absolutely thousands and thousands of videos, many, many practitioners. But the key thing to remember. So, you know, my journey because I can sense inside tension is the darkness, the it's light underneath the tension. So all we have to do is find the darkness, find the tension, find the trauma and release it. We don't have to force the positive onto it. And a lot of practitioners these days tend to go towards the positive, right? But the positive is not stuck in the body. It's the negative that is stuck in the body. Right. And once we release the negative, we naturally become more positive. We don't have to force it. So that's why you need to be a little bit careful when you're looking for MFT practitioners online or videos. So I recommend obviously you can watch mine, but the original Gary Craig videos are still on YouTube as well and you can watch those. 

Rich Bennett 51:53
Do you ever have guests on your show and you actually do the techniques with them doing it? 

Ann Hince 52:01
No, I haven't. No, I haven't had any. That could just be a YouTube channel. But yes, could do. 

Rich Bennett 52:08
If you ever need somebody to try it with, I'll be more than I'll be your guinea pig. I want to say guinea pig. I mean, I did that because. Oh my God, I just got so many thoughts going through my head now of four of people for you to talk to and help. One of my biggest questions is we talk a lot about recovery. Have you actually talked to anybody in recovery and tried to help them with with any of these techniques? 

Ann Hince 52:37
No, that's a good question. No, I don't think I have. I haven't done a lot of one on one work. My okay. He has been passing the information on and doing my own work that that's my highest priority to to see where it goes. But but I do know that it can work in that situation because there's there's thoughts and there's feelings and the memories that come up that we kind of want to suppress when we're trying to have a drink or something. Right. 

Rich Bennett 53:06
So that's right. 

Ann Hince 53:07
To become aware of that is part of the process. And then you can you can tell you the key thing is acceptance, right? My whole path has been one of acceptance. So you're actually accepting that you do want to have something, maybe a drink or food or whatever it is that you're using when you accept it. Right. You could tap tap using that phrase. I really, really want to have that drink. Once you've accepted it, then the desire for it can go away. Hmm. So I think that's kind of different from a lot of techniques out there. 

Rich Bennett 53:41
Yeah. 

Ann Hince 53:41
Yeah. But, but that, that it's that acceptance because it's just energy. You just wanting to suppress that feeling inside or the memory that's coming up, right? There's maybe there's a memory of trauma from the past and you don't want to go there, you don't want to feel it or to think about it, so you'll have something to suppress it. So it's working back through that can release the the needs, right, or the desire. If you've actually looked at that trauma and you've let it go, then there's no need to suppress it anymore. So then you no longer get that desire to have something to suppress it. 

Rich Bennett 54:18
Now you're doing all online workshops, right? Or you were. 

Ann Hince 54:23
Just going to have a video series come out fairly soon from from a day long talk. I did. 

Rich Bennett 54:29
All right. So with the workshops that you're doing or that you're going to be doing again, hopefully you are charging for them, I hope. 

Ann Hince 54:37
Yes, a little. 

Rich Bennett 54:39
Okay. 

Because I could just find I just know so many different organizations that that would benefit from this. So I definitely got to stay in contact with you one way or another. 

And I Yeah, you definitely got to get it. All right. Look, if anybody needs and to come and speak at an engagement, she is available. Oh, my God. Why do I sound like I'm doing a commercial here? 

I did. I want to talk about your book. When did your book come out? 

Ann Hince 55:12
Came out on 11, 11, 2020. 

Rich Bennett 55:16
Written. It's been out for three years. Almost three. 

Ann Hince 55:20
Years. Almost three years. Yes. Yeah. And I wrote it at the time because I got to the place where I could put my awareness inside my head. And I, I didn't want to forget any of that, the nuances of the journey up to that point. So I wanted to write it down so it felt like a good time. 

Rich Bennett 55:37
Did you plan on it for coming out on Veterans Day? 

Ann Hince 55:41
I did. I like the number 1111 2020. Okay. Well, good. 

Rich Bennett 55:46
Yeah, Well, thank you for that. 

Ann Hince 55:48
You know. 

Rich Bennett 55:49
My favorite holiday. So. 

But people can still purchase the book, right? 

Ann Hince 55:55
Yes, it's on Amazon. 

Rich Bennett 55:56
Yes, it's on Amazon. And. Oh, got a pathway to insight. 

Ann Hince 56:01
Yes. Right. A pathway to insight. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 56:03
And it's it's teaching people this. 

Ann Hince 56:06
Yeah, it's teaching people how I believe our signal is established in childhood. Right. We okay, we suck everything into our subconscious mind and that's, that's the way it continues until we do something about it. So yes, I talk about that and then I talk about these three steps to go inward. And I believe insight is the original meaning, or this is the original meaning of the word insight because it's in word or insights, right? 

Rich Bennett 56:30
So those of you listening make sure you purchase Ian's book after you do and you read it and you try to techniques and I know you're going to start feeling better, leave a full review because it's important that people get this. And I'm just going to I'm I'm going to ask you right up front here, can you come on again? Because would love to get one or two of my co-hosts on that. I know I would benefit from talking to you, but I know there's a lot more you have to offer a lot more. And one of the things I want to do, I want to try these techniques and then have you on again, because I just I, I, well, I don't think I know after I do it how I start feeling, that's just going to add more to it. Plus, I love talking to you. I mean, you're amazing. You are. You are simply amazing. But tell everybody how they can find you. 

Ann Hince 57:33
Thank you. Yes, I'd love to come on again if we did it with someone tapping with someone that has to be willing to be vulnerable. That's not always. Oh, that's. 

Rich Bennett 57:41
Not that's not a problem. I know somebody 

several my co-host are. Yeah, they would do it. 

Ann Hince 57:50
Okay. It okay. You can you can contact me on my web page my it's and hints dot com and if you want to see the x rays they're on there I'm also pretty active on Facebook so could check me out there and the YouTube channel I'm posting a video once a week the original videos the earlier videos were more about the past, the techniques and the videos. So posting, these are pretty deep for those who want to go really deep and really understand how things work and why we why we do the things we do right. That's a good place to. 

Rich Bennett 58:24
Watch the YouTube channel. 

Ann Hince 58:26
It's just my name at and hints. 

Rich Bennett 58:29
Oh, under that I was testing you. Yes. So. All right. So for those of you listening, this part is going to blow you away. And how many podcasts have you been. 

Ann Hince 58:39
One about hundred. 

Rich Bennett 58:43
400 podcast. So this is the question I ask at the end. This is going to be interesting. Now I have a funny feeling and is going to have to do a lot of thinking here. 

All the different people that have interviewed you, actually, before I ask this question, is there anything you like to add? 

Ann Hince 59:05
And then I think we've covered a lot. 

Rich Bennett 59:07
Okay. So out of all the people that have interviewed you, is there anything that a host has never asked you that you wish they would have asked you? And if so, what would be that question? What would be your answer? 

Ann Hince 59:25
Ha Well, we have talked about it before, but that's because I brought it up. So they haven't asked me, why would you do this? Why would you keep doing this? Maybe an answer you could ask me. Okay. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 59:40
Why would you keep doing this? 

Ann Hince 59:42
Because it's fun. And it feels good. A lot of people think this journey is is not going to be fun because you're looking at your past and it's like, it's yucky stuff, but you're releasing tension that has been in the body for decades. It's got to feel good and it does. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:02
The other memory. Since I cannot wait to try this God, I cannot wait. I am just I you know, it's funny because I told you before, I look forward to doing this, but I think I might say the hell with the editing and I just might go right to your YouTube channel and figure out how to do this and start doing it. And it's weird talking to you. It's like I've felt tension already released. I don't know. It's now, Of course, I wanted to see how in practice I couldn't tap myself because if I were to take my head off, it would blind it. 

Ann Hince 1:00:36
You 

know? 

Rich Bennett 1:00:41
And I want to thank you so much. God, I cannot wait to talk to you again. And I'm definitely going to keep in touch because I've got to let you know how this goes. And then when you come on, well, I've already done it, but I'm not going to tell my co-workers. I'm just going to tell them that you're they have to be vulnerable because they're going to be tapping and standing like a statue. They're probably going to say, What the hell are you talking about, Rich? And thank you so much. 

Ann Hince 1:01:11
Thank you. Has been a lot of fun.