The Songs That Changed Us: Rock, Metal, Punk, And Meaning

Wendy & Rich 0:01
Coming to you from the Freedom Federal Credit Union Studios, Hartford County Living Presents, Conversations with Rich Bennett. 

Rich Bennett 0:27
I came up with, actually, who came up with the idea? 

Dan Bennett 0:31
Maybe partially 

Rich Bennett 0:31
me. Yes, it's me, been all three of us cause I 

Carmen Mirabile 0:33
live 

Brad Cox 0:33
all the time. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 0:35
we were tired. So 

Brad Cox 0:36
we 

Rich Bennett 0:37
decided that we, we 

Carmen Mirabile 0:39
were a nice 

Rich Bennett 0:40
sense. Something on this. Sort of. 

Brad Cox 0:43
we're live. 

Rich Bennett 0:44
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 0:44
Okay, 

Rich Bennett 0:44
we are, 

Brad Cox 0:46
it's 

Rich Bennett 0:46
happening. Yeah, it's happening. 

Dan Bennett 0:47
Start. 

Rich Bennett 0:48
Yeah, so we uh, I can't, I don't know if it's me, Brad, Danny, or just the three of us came with that to do a recording about songs. know, when 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00
You 

Rich Bennett 1:00
you hear a song, sometimes it just. Strike it, brings back a memory or whatever, like, uh, just for instance, like, you've got another thing coming to you this priest. If I was never going to be a wrestler, that was going to be my song because it just made 

Brad Cox 1:16
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:16
sense. You know, but there's other ones that we decided, let's just. All of us pick a song. 

Brad Cox 1:23
Or 

Rich Bennett 1:24
Or 

Brad Cox 1:24
four. 

Rich Bennett 1:24
four, right, and talk about what it 

Brad Cox 1:27
means, 

Rich Bennett 1:28
or album, what it 

Carmen Mirabile 1:30
means. 

Rich Bennett 1:31
Artists or songwriter, if we know, basically just talk about it. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:36
And 

Rich Bennett 1:38
lucky. Oh, I'm the one that gets to go first. 

Dan Bennett 1:42
Did not hit the dark 

Brad Cox 1:43
board. All 

Rich Bennett 1:44
Yeah, okay. Well, you know what? 

Brad Cox 1:46
right. 

Rich Bennett 1:47
All right. So, and Danny probably knows this song. 

Dan Bennett 1:49
Probably. 

Rich Bennett 1:50
And I'll try to put together a song that's on Spotify, so I can put it in the. For those of you listening, if you don't know what the songs were talking about. This way. 

This song every time I heard it. I told. I need to be here. told my family. I said, this is, when I die, 

Dan Bennett 2:13
I 

Rich Bennett 2:13
I want this played at my funeral. I just went to party. Now, I've asked some interesting things about it, but it became a hit for blood, sweat, and tears. But they weren't the ones that originally recorded 

Carmen Mirabile 2:24
it. 

Rich Bennett 2:24
And the song is called and when I die. Don't know what to do. You'll 

Brad Cox 2:30
be on the spirit box. 

Rich Bennett 2:32
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 2:33
You'll be 

Rich Bennett 2:33
But 

Brad Cox 2:33
in this room. 

Rich Bennett 2:34
it reminds me of family because it's like, and when I die when 

Brad Cox 2:38
they'll 

Rich Bennett 2:39
be one child born in this world to carry on, so carrying on the family name. But what's weird and I didn't notice when I was looking all this up. It was a zero girl. It was her first song. I'm going to get the 

Brad Cox 2:54
wrong. 

Rich Bennett 2:54
name Yeah. 

Laura Nairo. But it was first recorded by Peter Paul and Mary. In 1966. And she just, she wrote it because she just loved poetry. And that's, that's how it came about. 

She sold the song to Peter Paul and Mary for $5, 000. 

Dan Bennett 3:20
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 3:20
that thing 

Brad Cox 3:21
And 

Rich Bennett 3:21
-- yeah. 

Brad Cox 3:22
But back then, that would pop into a lot. 

Rich Bennett 3:24
Yeah. Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 3:25
-- 

Rich Bennett 3:25
but 

Dan Bennett 3:25
To a 17-year-old 

Brad Cox 3:27
-- Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 3:27
Oh, better especially. 

Rich Bennett 3:28
But I guess would Peter Paul and Mary have the rights to that? Or would it be -- Cheers. 

Carmen Mirabile 3:37
Yeah, if she sold the rights 

Dan Bennett 3:38
Probably 

Rich Bennett 3:39
Peter Paul and Mary. 

Dan Bennett 3:40
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 3:41
They're 

the -- they're the song. They own the rights. So anytime it's played by anyone else. 

Rich Bennett 3:47
Right. Did you guys knew the song at all? 

Brad Cox 3:52
No, 

Carmen Mirabile 3:52
I don't know. 

Rich Bennett 3:52
I don't know. It's not heavy enough. 

Dan Bennett 3:54
that makes me think of the Godfather. Because I just watched that whole trilogy and Mario Puzzo, the guy who wrote the books, he sold the rights of the Godfather to Paramount for like 80 grand. It's like -- because he was just so broke that he couldn't get more out of that, and that's the Godfather we're talking 

Rich Bennett 4:10
Well, 

Dan Bennett 4:10
about. 

Brad Cox 4:10
Put the game back then, 80 grand. 

Dan Bennett 4:12
Oh, yeah. Yeah. 

Brad Cox 4:13
Sure, I'll do it again. 

Dan Bennett 4:14
Yeah, I would have gotten him out of a debt. All right, 

Rich Bennett 4:16
so if any of you guys seen the movie Final Destination? 

Brad Cox 4:19
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 4:20
Who's in that? 

Brad Cox 4:21
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 4:22
I'm 

Brad Cox 4:23
sure I've heard 

Rich Bennett 4:23
Who 

Brad Cox 4:23
it. 

Rich Bennett 4:25
was the band that played it? Joe 90? 

Dan Bennett 4:28
Sure. You 

Brad Cox 4:29
want to 

Dan Bennett 4:30
now? That must have been like the first Final Destination from the early 2000s, 

Rich Bennett 4:33
call it, 

Dan Bennett 4:33
when 

Carmen Mirabile 4:34
-- 

Dan Bennett 4:34
all the 

Rich Bennett 4:34
first Final Destination. 

Dan Bennett 4:36
Yeah. The 

Rich Bennett 4:36
Oh, yeah, okay. It was also recorded by the heavy, whoever that is. 

Dan Bennett 4:40
I know who they are. They wrote that song. Come with me now. 

Rich Bennett 4:43
me. Oh. Who's 

Dan Bennett 4:44
Come with 

Rich Bennett 4:45
using the season? Of 

Brad Cox 4:45
What's 

Rich Bennett 4:45
course. 

Dan Bennett 4:46
Come with me now. 

Brad Cox 4:48
up? Huh? Is it heavy? 

Dan Bennett 4:48
What? Come! You know, uh, 

Rich Bennett 4:50
We've bloated. 

Dan Bennett 4:50
they've, like, a saxophone. 

Carmen Mirabile 4:51
Ah, that's an HBO show. 

Rich Bennett 4:53
Oh, is it? 

Dan Bennett 4:53
There 

Carmen Mirabile 4:53
Okay. 

Dan Bennett 4:53
are 

Brad Cox 4:53
It 

Dan Bennett 4:53
songs in the... 

Brad Cox 4:54
could be heavy. 

Dan Bennett 4:54
With a fighter. That's a 

Rich Bennett 4:56
Bill 

Dan Bennett 4:56
great music. 

Rich Bennett 4:56
is Billy Child's analysis in Crouse. Did a version of it. And, 

Brad Cox 5:03
Wow. 

Rich Bennett 5:03
alright, here we go. A punk band. 

Dan Bennett 5:05
Which one? 

Rich Bennett 5:07
Amix, AME, BIX. 

Dan Bennett 5:10
That's too punk for me. I don't even know 'em. 

Brad Cox 5:12
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 5:12
They are the punkest 

Rich Bennett 5:13
It's 

Dan Bennett 5:13
band... 

Rich Bennett 5:13
a UK punk 

Dan Bennett 5:14
f***. 

Rich Bennett 5:14
band. We'll 

Dan Bennett 5:14
Ah, 

Rich Bennett 5:14
go 

Dan Bennett 5:15
alright. 

Rich Bennett 5:15
Start. 

Dan Bennett 5:16
Ah, so 

Brad Cox 5:17
UK. 

Dan Bennett 5:17
that's a whole 

Brad Cox 5:17
The 

Dan Bennett 5:17
different... 

Brad Cox 5:18
pistols. 

Dan Bennett 5:18
That 

Brad Cox 5:18
Yeah, it 

Dan Bennett 5:18
could 

Brad Cox 5:18
was 

Dan Bennett 5:18
be its 

Brad Cox 5:19
true. 

Dan Bennett 5:19
own little... 

Brad Cox 5:20
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 5:20
[laughs] 

Rich Bennett 5:21
Man, 

Carmen Mirabile 5:21
the... 

Rich Bennett 5:21
I 

Carmen Mirabile 5:21
Even 

Rich Bennett 5:22
pick 

Carmen Mirabile 5:22
those 

Rich Bennett 5:23
are for Danny? 

Carmen Mirabile 5:25
Yeah. Okay, so the meaning for you, Rich, is you want it played... Like, you're looking forward or something? Like, there's... No! 

Rich Bennett 5:33
Every time I hear that song, especially as I got older, I just... Especially that one line and... There'll be one child born in this world to carry on. Carry on the name. 

Carmen Mirabile 5:45
That 

Brad Cox 5:45
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 5:45
edge... 

Rich Bennett 5:47
I 

Carmen Mirabile 5:47
why 

Rich Bennett 5:47
don't know 

Carmen Mirabile 5:47
it sort of ties back to family 

Rich Bennett 5:49
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 5:50
for you. 

Rich Bennett 5:50
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's... I mean, there's a... 

Brad Cox 5:53
There's a biblical vibe there. And then, of course, you got Christmas coming. Officers are a great theme song. 

Rich Bennett 5:58
Yeah. But it's... If you look at the lyrics, there's... 

Brad Cox 6:02
It's not... 

Rich Bennett 6:04
It's not a sad song. 

Carmen Mirabile 6:07
That's 

Rich Bennett 6:08
what Tiers did with the horns and Like, first line. I'm not scared of dying. And I don't really care if it's peace you find in dying. Well, they'll let the time be near. I mean... 

Brad Cox 6:20
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 6:20
Kind of... You know what I'm... 

Carmen Mirabile 6:23
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 6:23
Y'all don't do this. 

Carmen Mirabile 6:25
That's 

Brad Cox 6:25
That 

Carmen Mirabile 6:26
a great uplifting, 

Brad Cox 6:26
was... 

Rich Bennett 6:27
You're 

Carmen Mirabile 6:27
Christmas. 

Rich Bennett 6:27
like, "Dry 

Brad Cox 6:28
It's 

Rich Bennett 6:28
up." 

Brad Cox 6:28
gonna... It's going onto my playlist right now. I'm mad then. I'm going to add all 

Carmen Mirabile 6:33
the... 

Brad Cox 6:34
I'm sure everybody's got deep pulls. 

Rich Bennett 6:36
Well, I want to 

Brad Cox 6:37
get... I 

Rich Bennett 6:38
I listened to that one from Joe '90 

Carmen Mirabile 6:40
mean, 

Rich Bennett 6:40
and it's like, 

Carmen Mirabile 6:41
"You can make a whole playlist from all the covers." "Just have one playlist of the one song." I 

Rich Bennett 6:46
actually do have a cover... Of a bunch of different artists and the covers that... Go ahead, Brad, because y'all make it... Already? 

Brad Cox 6:57
I wasn't sure if I should... Because I brought four. But I wasn't sure if I should start with the most recent or the earliest one. I'm just start with the most recent. 

Rich Bennett 7:06
Okay. 

Brad Cox 7:06
Alright, so there's a song by the glorious sun called "Sometimes On a Sunday." And when you listen 

Carmen Mirabile 7:11
you're 

Brad Cox 7:11
to it, kind of like, "God loves cars, God loves sex." It's all about God loving things that humans like. And it resonated with me right away. I think because I took it as the idea of like a child looking up to their parent as like almost like a godlike figure. Because that's the only people they know. And so I kind of like took it as like, you know, this child is like, "Oh, my dad's in the... He's in the cars, and all this crazy stuff drank in." And just from that perspective, I just thought it was a really cool song. And let me read some lyrics real quick 

actually... I don't cover a lot of songs live. 

Carmen Mirabile 7:54
here. 

Brad Cox 7:54
But it is one of the few songs I do cover. Because I feel like, if I could go back in time and see things through the lens of Samantha, 

Rich Bennett 8:02
It's 

Brad Cox 8:03
that this would be her perspective of this wild rock 'n' 

Rich Bennett 8:07
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 8:07
roll 

Rich Bennett 8:07
You 

Brad Cox 8:07
cup. 

Rich Bennett 8:07
gotta explain everybody who Samantha 

Brad Cox 8:09
Samantha is my now 23 year old 

Carmen Mirabile 8:11
is. 

Brad Cox 8:11
daughter. But, you know, growing up, she had a rock 'n' roll dad. 

Rich Bennett 8:15
Right. 

Brad Cox 8:15
And she probably saw things through a different lens than I probably have any idea about. But anyway, the lyrics are God loves cars, God loves sex. God loves liquor and cigarettes. He's a fool for the rush, just like the rest of us. He's not as scared of his own death. So when you, I guess, 

Rich Bennett 8:35
pretty deep. 

Brad Cox 8:36
Yeah, I mean, like, God in all of this doesn't really even make sense as a lyric. But it does, in the sense that if you're looking at it from that. And I've looked up like what the actual meaning of the song is. And that is not what they intended at all. But that's the way I took it. And that's the way I 

Rich Bennett 8:52
What 

Brad Cox 8:52
sing. 

Rich Bennett 8:52
did they mean? 

Brad Cox 8:54
recall. But 

Carmen Mirabile 8:55
I don't 

Brad Cox 8:55
it was, I think it was just something that he said, oh, it just kind of came to me. And I was like, well, I received it totally differently. 

Rich Bennett 9:03
Yeah. And that's some of the weird things about songs. I mean, I think the one that Meatloof did. 

Carmen Mirabile 9:11
Paradise? 

Rich Bennett 9:12
No, two out of 

Brad Cox 9:13
-- 

Rich Bennett 9:13
three in 

Carmen Mirabile 9:13
Yeah. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 9:14
which it was the 

Brad Cox 9:18
-- 

Rich Bennett 9:18
guy that 

Brad Cox 9:19
I 

Rich Bennett 9:20
think 

Carmen Mirabile 9:20
Jim Steinman. 

Rich Bennett 9:20
Yes. I guess it was 

Brad Cox 9:22
his 

Carmen Mirabile 9:22
daughter. 

Rich Bennett 9:23
was in a place that as she heard over song, I want you, I need you, I love you. 

Carmen Mirabile 9:28
Something 

Rich Bennett 9:29
like that. 

Carmen Mirabile 9:31
He just, and that's how it came about. 

Rich Bennett 9:32
But bad. 

Carmen Mirabile 9:32
He just 

Rich Bennett 9:33
pieced it together and 

Carmen Mirabile 9:35
no 

Rich Bennett 9:36
meaning. 

Carmen Mirabile 9:36
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 9:37
But you listen to it. It all just reminds me of my first girlfriend. Yeah. And then she kicked me to the curb. 

Brad Cox 9:45
I think a lot of times with song writing, especially like in your early years, there is definitely that 

Rich Bennett 9:50
comes. 

Brad Cox 9:50
stream of 

Rich Bennett 9:51
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 9:51
Because 

Brad Cox 9:52
you haven't lived a lot yet. 

Carmen Mirabile 9:54
Like 

Brad Cox 9:55
now I'm 

Carmen Mirabile 9:56
very 

Brad Cox 9:56
very, 

Carmen Mirabile 9:57
much 

Brad Cox 9:57
to every single word that's written, like, this is what this is about. And I'm going to convey that. But when you're younger, 

Carmen Mirabile 10:03
you 

Brad Cox 10:03
would write something like this, just on an acoustic, like, what? 

Rich Bennett 10:06
No, we talked about that on the last episode because we were younger. You can get away from writing something like, 

Brad Cox 10:11
Oh, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 10:12
16. Right. 

Carmen Mirabile 10:13
Oh, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 10:14
It doesn't say 

Carmen Mirabile 10:15
you 

Rich Bennett 10:15
singing at that age, it kind of sounds 

Dan Bennett 10:17
little wrong. 

Brad Cox 10:19
Yeah, I'm wondering like, when one of my old songs will get me canceled. Like, I have this song called Put Down Your Guns in F. You know, and it was just, it was a funny song at we finished recording this record back in 1999. And we're just sitting around the studio and the acoustic was there. And I started writing this, we're just drinking having a good 

Rich Bennett 10:36
Right. 

Brad Cox 10:36
time. And it ends up we recorded that night, and it becomes everybody's favorite song in the city. like, I spent like two years 

Carmen Mirabile 10:44
I'm 

Brad Cox 10:44
writing this thing and you're going to lock into this two minute, like, joke. 

Dan Bennett 10:49
That's how Warren had cherry 

Brad Cox 10:50
pie as a. 

Dan Bennett 10:51
Yeah, they wrote 

Brad Cox 10:52
10. 

Dan Bennett 10:52
it in like 

Brad Cox 10:52
I'm the cherry pie guy. 

Rich Bennett 10:55
Really. 

Dan Bennett 10:56
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 10:56
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 10:56
they probably put so much effort into having as a two far away. 

Brad Cox 11:01
Well, that was the first record, but I know what you mean. 

Dan Bennett 11:03
And then cherry pie, that's the hit. And he wrote it in like 10 or 15 minutes. 

Brad Cox 11:07
Yeah. Because basically the labels like they, the records puts be called shows 

Dan Bennett 11:10
in the lyrics. 

Brad Cox 11:11
Yeah, Uncle Tom's cabin or something 

Rich Bennett 11:14
like that. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. 

Brad Cox 11:16
Yeah. And 

Carmen Mirabile 11:17
they're 

Brad Cox 11:17
like, we need like a loving And he's like, all right, so now I'm the cherry pie guy. 

Carmen Mirabile 11:22
song. 

Brad Cox 11:23
And everyone's career. 

Rich Bennett 11:24
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 11:25
Any credibility they might add. 

Carmen Mirabile 11:27
Sabbath was like that with paranoid. They needed a three minute filler for their second album. And 

Brad Cox 11:33
Oh, 

Carmen Mirabile 11:33
they wrote 

Brad Cox 11:33
really. 

Carmen Mirabile 11:33
that in like 10 minutes. 

Rich Bennett 11:35
Really 

Carmen Mirabile 11:35
came their biggest hit and they named the album out of it. Even though the cover art was for war pigs. 

Dan Bennett 11:42
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 11:42
But then they liked the the 

Rich Bennett 11:46
song. 

Carmen Mirabile 11:46
recording 

Rich Bennett 11:47
The yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 11:47
company, like paranoid so much, they changed it to paranoid. And 

Brad Cox 11:52
your 

Carmen Mirabile 11:52
then 

Brad Cox 11:53
big, are you big Aussie guy? 

Carmen Mirabile 11:54
Yeah. Well, you'll down this. 

Brad Cox 11:56
Well, 

Rich Bennett 11:57
he 

Brad Cox 11:57
said crazy train when you walked in. That was like, 

Rich Bennett 12:00
I, as because whenever I DJ anything of Carmen's 

Carmen Mirabile 12:03
no. It's there. 

Rich Bennett 12:03
air, 

Carmen Mirabile 12:03
It's kind of like crazy. There's 

Rich Bennett 12:06
there's 

Carmen Mirabile 12:06
no. It's It's 

Rich Bennett 12:10
got. 

Carmen Mirabile 12:10
got. 

Brad Cox 12:10
It's got. 

Rich Bennett 12:11
I see. 

Carmen Mirabile 12:13
So 

Rich Bennett 12:13
who's the name? 

Brad Cox 12:14
So it's the glorious sons. And I'm going to read the last four lines of the song. 

Rich Bennett 12:18
Okay. 

Brad Cox 12:19
It's great. It's, I bet it gets lonely in heaven. I bet God is lost to. I bet it gets lonely in heaven. I bet God. Because 

Rich Bennett 12:26
Wow. 

Dan Bennett 12:27
If 

Brad Cox 12:27
we're made in theory, if we were made in the image of God, 

Rich Bennett 12:32
right. 

Brad Cox 12:32
Then wouldn't he be feeling the same kind of obviously he's a wrathful God in the, the first chapter or addition or whatever, you want to, the old testament. That's 

Rich Bennett 12:41
it. 

Brad Cox 12:43
But anyway, it's like, he might, he might get down. He might feel lonely. I'm, I'm the only one of me kind of thing. So I don't know. I just thought it was a really cool turn of phrase. 

Rich Bennett 12:51
That's 

Brad Cox 12:52
interesting. 

Rich Bennett 12:52
pretty 

Brad Cox 12:53
Because 

Rich Bennett 12:53
yeah, you, I mean, I never thought about that. 

Brad Cox 12:56
I'm getting saddened or 

Rich Bennett 12:57
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 12:57
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:59
I mean, I'm sure he looks down. He's like. Think's that are going. 

Brad Cox 13:04
What did I do. 

Rich Bennett 13:04
Was there each day at his max of people? 

Brad Cox 13:07
free will 

Carmen Mirabile 13:07
Maybe 

Brad Cox 13:07
was a bad idea. 

Rich Bennett 13:10
Alright, go ahead. 

Carmen Mirabile 13:12
Alright, 

Dan Bennett 13:12
well, I'm sure you'll see this coming from a mile away. But I'm going to talk about the album, but one song in it from particular when I was twelve. This album came out Americanity by Green Day. But the song, Jesus of Suburbia, it's the second track. This is a bit of a departure from what you were just 

Carmen Mirabile 13:27
talking about. 

Dan Bennett 13:28
Opening line is, I'm the son of rage and love that Jesus of suburbia, that's a little bit sacrilegious right off the bat, 

Brad Cox 13:33
right. 

Dan Bennett 13:33
especially to a 

Brad Cox 13:34
Twelve 

Dan Bennett 13:34
year old to a semi Catholic boy is baptized at least. But yeah, that's a nine minute like rock 

Carmen Mirabile 13:41
you know 

Dan Bennett 13:41
opera 

Carmen Mirabile 13:41
about 

Dan Bennett 13:42
of the song. If That's that's a nine minute track. 

Brad Cox 13:45
Yeah. Wow. 

Dan Bennett 13:46
Wow. I 

Brad Cox 13:46
don't think I realized that. 

Dan Bennett 13:48
Oh, yeah. but it's like split up into five parts, so it kind of goes on and smooths out. It's all the same key but they change up tempos a little bit and vibe. So it's pretty masterfully crafted 

Carmen Mirabile 13:59
sense 

Dan Bennett 13:59
and that even 

Carmen Mirabile 14:00
even 

Dan Bennett 14:00
though 

Carmen Mirabile 14:00
though 

Dan Bennett 14:00
the 

Carmen Mirabile 14:00
the 

Dan Bennett 14:00
whole 

Carmen Mirabile 14:00
whole song's one 

Dan Bennett 14:01
It's a really important key, they go to three, four a 

Brad Cox 14:02
key. 

Dan Bennett 14:02
little bit, they go like piano in here and slow it down, bring it back up. So hell, as a 12 year old who's like, I want to be a rock star now, I want to start writing songs, you learn about the dynamics of songwriting, just the way they crafted that. Um, but yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 14:17
yeah, you know, they 

Dan Bennett 14:19
started with, well, they started in the 80s and playing in the Bay Area Punks scene then the major label says, hey, we want to give you a bunch of money and make 

Carmen Mirabile 14:27
then 

Dan Bennett 14:27
dukey and that sells 10 million records and then, and saw me act only goes four 

Carmen Mirabile 14:32
times twice a month and 

Dan Bennett 14:36
Listen, warning comes out, 

Carmen Mirabile 14:38
then. 

Dan Bennett 14:38
which a lot of people think it's a good album, but that's kind of where they're like, maybe green days falling off 

Carmen Mirabile 14:42
now with 

Dan Bennett 14:43
greatest heads 

Carmen Mirabile 14:44
a 

Dan Bennett 14:44
albums, like maybe they're dead now and then. Apparently Jesus, 

Carmen Mirabile 14:48
first 

Dan Bennett 14:49
song that Philly Joe Armstrong started 

Brad Cox 14:51
Joe, 

Dan Bennett 14:51
writing just. 

Brad Cox 14:51
he probably entered 

Dan Bennett 14:52
Philly 

Brad Cox 14:52
that nothing left, there's nothing left to lose kind of thing. 

Rich Bennett 14:55
No, it's not fortunate. 

Carmen Mirabile 14:58
He was in the band earlier. 

Rich Bennett 15:00
Yeah, he is 

Carmen Mirabile 15:01
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 15:01
hell of a 

Carmen Mirabile 15:01
he is. He's a good musician. 

Brad Cox 15:03
busy. 

Carmen Mirabile 15:04
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 15:04
I know that. 

Rich Bennett 15:05
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 15:06
yeah, um, 

Carmen Mirabile 15:06
they may, 

Dan Bennett 15:07
apparently that's 

Carmen Mirabile 15:07
called out of it, too, right? 

Dan Bennett 15:08
They did make 

Carmen Mirabile 15:09
out 

Dan Bennett 15:09
a 

Carmen Mirabile 15:11
of Jesus 

Rich Bennett 15:11
musical 

Dan Bennett 15:12
the moon, uh, American it 

Rich Bennett 15:15
okay, 

Dan Bennett 15:15
which the musical I think is that album plus the next album 21st century 

Carmen Mirabile 15:19
break. 

Dan Bennett 15:20
What they tried to do another rock opera there and I think that 

Carmen Mirabile 15:22
one. 

Rich Bennett 15:30
That's 

Dan Bennett 15:33
what that's what they wanted to do. They wanted to make Tommy. They wanted to make Sergeant Pepper. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 15:37
it's rock of ages a 

Carmen Mirabile 15:39
That 

Rich Bennett 15:39
rock. 

Carmen Mirabile 15:39
was a musical. 

Dan Bennett 15:39
like 

Rich Bennett 15:40
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 15:41
since American The Wall kind of 

Carmen Mirabile 15:43
a 

Rich Bennett 15:43
wall. 

Carmen Mirabile 15:44
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 15:46
it's, I mean, I had its own movie with Bob yeldoff. 

Rich Bennett 15:47
Well, it was a movie. It was 

Dan Bennett 15:49
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 15:50
Broadway or 

Dan Bennett 15:51
correct. 

Carmen Mirabile 15:52
Yeah. No. 

Rich Bennett 15:52
Is the who 

Carmen Mirabile 15:53
was 

Rich Bennett 15:53
Tommy 

Carmen Mirabile 15:53
it? No, it was. Yeah. Yeah, they did a, they did a theater. 

Dan Bennett 15:57
And Elton, John's 

Rich Bennett 15:57
okay, 

Dan Bennett 15:58
been on has had his stuff put on Broadway. None of his albums. But Elton, John's had stuff on Broadway, 

Rich Bennett 16:05
I could 

Dan Bennett 16:05
obviously. 

Rich Bennett 16:05
see goodbye. Yellow brick road. 

Brad Cox 16:08
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 16:10
yeah. I'm 

Rich Bennett 16:11
surprised none of rushes has, although I guess I because the thing is we look at rush. 

Dan Bennett 16:18
For 

Rich Bennett 16:18
the albums, they all told a story. 

Carmen Mirabile 16:20
21 12 is like that. That's one big. That side one is one big story. 

Rich Bennett 16:26
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 16:26
So did you start with dukey and then 

Dan Bennett 16:29
No, 

Brad Cox 16:29
America? 

Dan Bennett 16:29
I was 12. I was sleeping at my aunt's house. The TV was on. I woke. VH1 story tellers, which was a great show back in the day. 

Rich Bennett 16:37
I 

Dan Bennett 16:38
woke up and yeah, and Green Day was performing songs off of American idiot. I think that's how I found out. Oh, Boulevard of broken dreams. That's the title of the song. And oh, they're the ones who do that Green Day. Oh, I've seen everybody with the heart grenade at school. Let's go see what Green Day's about. And then it just snowballs into. Oh, now I 

Carmen Mirabile 16:56
use. 

Dan Bennett 16:56
also like the 

Carmen Mirabile 16:57
I 

Dan Bennett 16:57
come a romance. Hey, Dad, I like Green Day. They're punk rock and dad's like, no, they're not. Come on. Let me show you about the clash and sex pistols and the Ramones. 

Carmen Mirabile 17:05
It 

Dan Bennett 17:07
just snowballed in. a lot of what I like and I think the reason why I gravitate to punk a lot, even though I also appreciate a Metallica, 

Brad Cox 17:15
Um, 

Dan Bennett 17:15
Rush, Pink Floyd and all that, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin's writing songs about J. R. R. R. token and Jimmy Page doesn't even know it. Like Jimmy Page this whole time had no idea that Robert Plant is just a lord of the rings nerd. Even though they're singing about mordor, but in punk music, it's just like country, I guess three chords in the truth. That's all they ever strive for. 

Rich Bennett 17:36
just 

Dan Bennett 17:37
And 

Rich Bennett 17:37
grew up and started. 

Dan Bennett 17:38
Yeah, Led 

Rich Bennett 17:38
Zeppelin. 

Dan Bennett 17:39
Well, yeah, but yeah, it's, uh, 

Rich Bennett 17:41
it disappointed me. 

Dan Bennett 17:42
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 17:43
We were coming back. I don't even know how old you were. You weren't 12 yet. 

Dan Bennett 17:46
No, 

Rich Bennett 17:47
coming back from a picnic from this one company I worked for. He's in the back. Well, yeah, to be young because you're still sitting in the back seat. And of course, I got the radio. I said and Zeppelin came on, and I was like, you know who that is, Bubba? He's listening. He's like Led Zeppelin? I said, yeah, no proud. 

Carmen Mirabile 18:04
a proud moment 

Rich Bennett 18:05
There's 

Carmen Mirabile 18:05
proud. 

Rich Bennett 18:06
He's like, they suck. 

Brad Cox 18:08
That's the hardest 

Rich Bennett 18:09
job. 

Brad Cox 18:10
How 

Rich Bennett 18:10
What? 

Brad Cox 18:11
dare you? 

Dan Bennett 18:11
9 or 

Rich Bennett 18:12
10, 

Dan Bennett 18:13
I thought 

Carmen Mirabile 18:14
back, I thought yeah. Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 18:19
thought backstreet boys were cool at that point, so it's whatever 

Carmen Mirabile 18:22
I 

Dan Bennett 18:23
and it'd be fair they still are. 

Brad Cox 18:24
Can you see why maybe 

Dan Bennett 18:25
nowhere near though? 

Brad Cox 18:26
Like the clash in the Sex Pistols like when Green Day came out while people would be like 'Green Day'. 

Dan Bennett 18:31
Oh yeah. 

Brad Cox 18:32
Yeah, but I think it's just because we didn't, I wasn't, I don't know. 

Carmen Mirabile 18:37
I mean 

Rich Bennett 18:37
they say was it Blink 182's punk? 

Dan Bennett 18:40
Uh-huh. 

Carmen Mirabile 18:40
mean, I 

Dan Bennett 18:40
I 

Carmen Mirabile 18:41
don't understand why. See, all of those new punk bands are less disciples of Sex Pistols and more from 'Romones'. 

Rich Bennett 18:52
I 

Carmen Mirabile 18:52
Because 'Romones' 

Brad Cox 18:53
think you're right. 

Carmen Mirabile 18:55
had that punk vibe, but the songs were very melodic. 

Rich Bennett 18:58
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 18:59
mm-hmm, same with 

Carmen Mirabile 19:00
So, 

Dan Bennett 19:00
Buzz Cox. 

Carmen Mirabile 19:01
when you do 'Green Day' and Blink 182 and Offspring, their songs are melodic, and I think they're from the branch that comes from 'Romones'. 

Brad Cox 19:11
Yeah. John Lydon's like notorious for saying like 'and then the label came to me and said 'why do I have to, I need to learn how to sing?' and he's like 'why do I need to learn how to sing?' 

Dan Bennett 19:19
Right. 

Brad Cox 19:20
The mentality was just like 'we're just gonna say what we wanna say.' 

Carmen Mirabile 19:24
The 'Romones' 

Rich Bennett 19:25
Oh, thanks a 

Carmen Mirabile 19:26
lot. 

Dan Bennett 19:27
soul. Pet Cemetery is just over three 

Rich Bennett 19:29
It's 

Dan Bennett 19:29
minutes. It's probably their, it's probably their longest song. 

Brad Cox 19:32
got a 

Rich Bennett 19:33
What 

Dan Bennett 19:33
It 

Rich Bennett 19:33
do 

Dan Bennett 19:33
might 

Rich Bennett 19:34
they 

Dan Bennett 19:34
have a- 

Rich Bennett 19:34
want? 

Carmen Mirabile 19:34
And they're all great. 

Rich Bennett 19:36
What's 

Carmen Mirabile 19:36
And 

Rich Bennett 19:36
that? 

Carmen Mirabile 19:37
they're all great. 

Rich Bennett 19:38
they are. We 

Brad Cox 19:38
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 19:39
stole. Now, no. I know Danny knows the story, but me and my buddies of mine went to Hammer Jax to see the 'Romones', and they had this other band that opened up for 'Romones'. They were good, I guess. Everybody's just standing around drinking. Then once the 'Romones' came on, it was like a magnet, everybody just pulled to the floor, you know, it was getting into it. But the band had opened up was Green Day. 

Carmen Mirabile 20:02
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 20:03
But nobody 

Dan Bennett 20:03
it 

Rich Bennett 20:04
knew who 

Dan Bennett 20:04
was. 

Carmen Mirabile 20:04
that. 

Dan Bennett 20:04
Nobody knew 

Rich Bennett 20:06
And we lost our body in the 'Mosh pit' so, but now you said 'Billy 

Dan Bennett 20:15
Joe Armstrong, he's the singer, 

Rich Bennett 20:16
player'. So 

Dan Bennett 20:17
guitar 

Rich Bennett 20:17
he's one that wrote that? 

Dan Bennett 20:18
He is the songwriter, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 20:19
And what 

Brad Cox 20:20
mean? 

Rich Bennett 20:20
did 

Brad Cox 20:20
'Town 

Rich Bennett 20:20
it 

Brad Cox 20:20
to Dude.' 

Dan Bennett 20:21
Um, well I know he's- apparently, I remember this from years back, he said he went on a walk, and he just kind of came with those lyrics, naturally. I guess made his way back to the guitar and just went from there 

Rich Bennett 20:34
and threw it down. 

Dan Bennett 20:35
How they turned it into a big rock opera. I think that was their own idea, they just wanted to. Because what else do they have to lose at that point? They're putting out a great assets album like, 'Whatever, everybody already thinks we're dead, screw it'. 

Brad Cox 20:47
I 

Dan Bennett 20:47
And 

Brad Cox 20:47
think that's the- 

Dan Bennett 20:48
The punks already out- and the punks already outcast us back in like the 90s for signing to a major label, even though punk is so mainstream now, you know. At that point in the mid-2000s. 

Rich Bennett 20:59
So, I guess now if a band puts out a greatest hits it's like the death of them? 

Dan Bennett 21:05
Well nobody even puts out greatest hits albums anymore, but yeah, kind 

Brad Cox 21:08
Who's 

Dan Bennett 21:08
of, it's 

Brad Cox 21:08
got 

Dan Bennett 21:08
like- 

Brad Cox 21:08
playlists 

Dan Bennett 21:09
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 21:09
in 

Dan Bennett 21:10
if a band's putting out greatest hits album, it's like they're probably doing their fair world tour soon after 

Rich Bennett 21:14
the- 

Dan Bennett 21:14
that. Full Out Boy had put out two greatest hits albums at this point, and the one was a break-up album. 

Rich Bennett 21:19
were a lot of 

Brad Cox 21:20
There 

Rich Bennett 21:20
greatest hit 

Carmen Mirabile 21:21
albums. 

Brad Cox 21:21
Erasmus 

Carmen Mirabile 21:21
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 21:22
got more greatest hit albums than 

Dan Bennett 21:23
ridiculous. 

Brad Cox 21:23
albums, it's 

Dan Bennett 21:24
Here's 

Brad Cox 21:25
one new song in- 

Carmen Mirabile 21:27
Live album? Yeah, usually that's the cadence you put out three or four studio albums. You put out a live album and then you put out a greatest hits album and then you kind of start that process all over again. 

Rich Bennett 21:37
Do live albums anymore? 

Dan Bennett 21:39
Well, I know American Eddie Company live 

Carmen Mirabile 21:43
bulletin' 

Dan Bennett 21:44
album, 

Carmen Mirabile 21:44
the bomb. Oh got- 

Dan Bennett 21:45
man, I He bans live too. 

Rich Bennett 21:48
Anything with Kiss, nobody's- mean people knew who they 

Carmen Mirabile 21:51
I 

Rich Bennett 21:51
were, but they weren't. 

Dan Bennett 21:52
Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 21:52
as big as old as Kiss a 

Rich Bennett 21:54
Life if 

Dan Bennett 21:54
trick, 

Rich Bennett 21:54
you came 

Dan Bennett 21:55
mm-hmm, and that was just an album. Imagine if it was 

Rich Bennett 21:57
out. 

Dan Bennett 21:57
also 

Rich Bennett 21:57
Cheap 

Dan Bennett 21:57
on video, you know, back 

Carmen Mirabile 21:59
One 

Dan Bennett 21:59
then. 

Carmen Mirabile 21:59
of the best live albums, 

Rich Bennett 22:01
but I think that's what made Cheap trick. 

Carmen Mirabile 22:02
Yeah, you look at Joe Bonamassa, he puts out a 

Dan Bennett 22:05
album. It's 

Carmen Mirabile 22:05
live 

Dan Bennett 22:05
priest. 

Carmen Mirabile 22:06
Every five months he has a new live album 

Brad Cox 22:08
It's 

Carmen Mirabile 22:08
out. 

Brad Cox 22:09
like 

Carmen Mirabile 22:10
two a year. 

Brad Cox 22:11
He's just putting out every concert as a 

Carmen Mirabile 22:13
live 

Dan Bennett 22:13
album. The Bruce Springsteen, like Serious XM Radio show is just all his live performance. From like every show he's ever done. 

Rich Bennett 22:21
And then you get 

Carmen Mirabile 22:21
bootleg. 

Rich Bennett 22:21
the 

Dan Bennett 22:23
Yeah, the Aerosmith Bootleg album. 

Brad Cox 22:26
Even 

Dan Bennett 22:27
though that's not a real bootleg. 

Carmen Mirabile 22:29
On 

Dan Bennett 22:29
purpose. 

Carmen Mirabile 22:30
it. Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 22:32
Yeah, he 

Carmen Mirabile 22:32
he never 

Dan Bennett 22:32
never 

Carmen Mirabile 22:32
put 

Dan Bennett 22:32
put on 

Carmen Mirabile 22:33
on the bad show. 

Rich Bennett 22:34
What you got for us, Azi? 

Carmen Mirabile 22:37
Hmm. 

I go, I didn't follow the rules, Rich. You know, I mean- 

Rich Bennett 22:44
Um- 'Karmin' it's alright. We'll let you slide. 

Carmen Mirabile 22:47
Right, I 

Rich Bennett 22:47
I know 

Carmen Mirabile 22:47
know 

Rich Bennett 22:47
you've 

Carmen Mirabile 22:47
you've 

Rich Bennett 22:47
got 

Carmen Mirabile 22:47
got 

Rich Bennett 22:48
something 

Carmen Mirabile 22:48
something good. 

Rich Bennett 22:48
good. 

Carmen Mirabile 22:48
So I have to go back a little bit and this is going to date myself, but, uhm, it's okay, it's important. As far as the story goes. 

Rich Bennett 22:56
Frank Sin. 

Carmen Mirabile 22:57
So, uh, 1981, I'm 12 years old, you know, I, uh, 12. I mean, it doesn't matter. 

Rich Bennett 23:07
I could 

Carmen Mirabile 23:08
do 

Brad Cox 23:08
math, I could 

Carmen Mirabile 23:08
the 

Brad Cox 23:08
do the math. 

Carmen Mirabile 23:09
I'd like you to do the math. 

Brad Cox 23:10
I'd, 

Carmen Mirabile 23:10
So, 'November' 1981, I'm 12 years old. Unless, you know, I, I knew I liked music, I really didn't have anything, any like, guideline as far as what I liked, like, 

Rich Bennett 23:24
Right. 

Carmen Mirabile 23:24
I knew I liked 'Kiss' and then I liked 'STICKS' I think, I liked 'GIRN' 

Brad Cox 23:28
'STICKS', I would, so sorry, I have to- 

Carmen Mirabile 23:30
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 23:31
Stop you real quick, I went on a rant on Facebook about 'STICKS'. "I, I, I, I." Because, like, it was basically a band with two very distinct personality. 

Carmen Mirabile 23:39
Yeah, yeah. 

Brad Cox 23:39
Dennis, the long and, um, what's his name? 

Carmen Mirabile 23:42
Tommy Shaw. 

Brad Cox 23:43
Tommy Shaw. And anyway, it kind of would viral and they're, uh, they're, uh, street team or like, the people on their, their team, they started coming after me. 

Rich Bennett 23:53
Wow! 

Brad Cox 23:53
They were so 

Carmen Mirabile 23:54
You 

Brad Cox 23:54
mad. 

Carmen Mirabile 23:54
got 

Dan Bennett 23:55
the started beef with sticks, that's- 

Brad Cox 23:56
Yeah, I started a little beef with sticks. 

Carmen Mirabile 23:58
Well, 

Dan Bennett 23:59
trapped, but I think everybody has. 

Carmen Mirabile 24:00
So, it's like, I really didn't know what I liked, I just knew I liked some things, but I, I didn't really, um, but my sister and brother were, who were much older than me, you know, I'm like, okay, my sister's sort of into disco because that was still going on, so I'm listening to some stuff she had, and I'm like, okay. Alright, I, I really don't know. One day in November, my, my brother comes home with an album. He got from his friend, album cover is pretty cool. I look at it and never heard 

Brad Cox 24:31
of that 

Carmen Mirabile 24:32
before in my life. Um, so I put it on the record player. 

Brad Cox 24:37
Did he bite the head off of that? 

Carmen Mirabile 24:39
I put the needle on, I put the needle on, and then you hear the, the drum intro to over the mountain from Ozzy Ozborn's Diary of a madman. this. And at that, at that 

Brad Cox 24:52
Huh. 

Carmen Mirabile 24:53
point in my life, the clouds parted and everything became very clear to me, so 

Brad Cox 24:59
Let's hold 

Carmen Mirabile 25:00
it, it literally was the start of my entire musical journey in my life. And what was that album? Um, so. 

say like the last 44 years of my 

Brad Cox 25:14
I 

Carmen Mirabile 25:15
life there isn't a day that I haven't 

Brad Cox 25:17
could 

Carmen Mirabile 25:17
listened to an Ozzy song, like you could count on one hand. A day that goes by that I 

Brad Cox 25:22
had a car 

Carmen Mirabile 25:23
on Ozzy song and it started with that album, and then it was like, well, this is his second album. Actually won before this, so I had to go out, I had to run out, get blows at a vase, and then those two just became an obsession and then find it. Well, this was before bark and then come to find out Ozzy was in a band prior to 

Brad Cox 25:46
albums, 

Carmen Mirabile 25:47
a band called. 

Rich Bennett 25:48
We were lost. 

Carmen Mirabile 25:49
it is. A band called Black Sabbath, so then it was getting all the black Sabbath albums, and then that sort of became like my north star, for everything else that came afterwards. So 

Rich Bennett 26:02
Wow. That's 

Carmen Mirabile 26:02
if I had to pick a song from it, it was that first one because it was the first thing that sort of just 

Rich Bennett 26:08
what 

Carmen Mirabile 26:09
cleared the clouds. It was over the mountain, diarrhea of the madman is still what I consider the 

Brad Cox 26:15
album 

Carmen Mirabile 26:15
greatest recorded, and just, you know, 

Brad Cox 26:20
I think it is 

Rich Bennett 26:20
with Ozzy. If he wouldn't have gone solo, I don't think him and Black Sabbath would have been as big as they were. 

Carmen Mirabile 26:30
I mean, 

Rich Bennett 26:30
they were big, I mean, Sabbath was big, but after Ozzy left, because then they 

Brad Cox 26:36
think, 

Rich Bennett 26:36
brought in, I 

Carmen Mirabile 26:37
Johnny James-Dee-o, which 

Rich Bennett 26:39
brought in somebody 

Carmen Mirabile 26:40
else, 

Rich Bennett 26:41
E. N. Gil and that's right. From Deep Purple. Yeah. Actually, D. O. 

Dan Bennett 26:44
pretty apparent to one, I think, volume four, volume five, whichever album had changes 

Rich Bennett 26:48
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 26:49
on it, 

Carmen Mirabile 26:49
It's 

Dan Bennett 26:49
it's very apparent that like Ozzy and Black Sabbath are 

Rich Bennett 26:52
But 

Dan Bennett 26:53
ready for 

Rich Bennett 26:53
look, but 

Dan Bennett 26:53
splitsville. 

Rich Bennett 26:53
the other thing is too, you look at Ozzy, look at who... 

Brad Cox 26:57
He 

Rich Bennett 26:58
has helped 

Dan Bennett 26:59
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 26:59
launch. Oh yeah. I mean, actually, a lot of people don't even know who Randy Ruiz 

Dan Bennett 27:06
Huh-huh. 

Rich Bennett 27:06
was. 

Carmen Mirabile 27:07
Well, Randy was, yeah, I mean, Randy was 

Rich Bennett 27:10
Quiet 

Carmen Mirabile 27:10
in a small band, local band that no one knew. He was in choir, I and then he 

Brad Cox 27:15
rhyme. 

Carmen Mirabile 27:15
left to go, to go with Ozzy. And, yeah, Ozzy, he's even said like one of the worst things that ever happened was being fired from Black Sabbath. And he didn't know, he thought he was going to go back to a normal, like a normal life. 

Brad Cox 27:32
Not 

Carmen Mirabile 27:33
He 

Brad Cox 27:33
a 

Carmen Mirabile 27:33
didn't, 

Dan Bennett 27:34
crazy. 

Carmen Mirabile 27:34
and then sharing kind of picked him up and said smack them out of it. And they found Randy and Randy was the perfect writing partner and that, and that band around him. But that was sort of one of those situations where the parts are worth more than the sum when because Black Sabbath is an incredible band but then you get, you had Black with Ozzy, then you had Ozzy solo stuff and then you had new Black Sabbath with Ronnie James D. O. And those two albums 

Brad Cox 28:07
are, 

Carmen Mirabile 28:09
are fantastic having a hell and mob rolls, 

Brad Cox 28:13
Was it 

Carmen Mirabile 28:13
so... 

Brad Cox 28:14
into humanizer in there? 

Carmen Mirabile 28:15
That came out in 94, so that was like, that was after D. O. 

Brad Cox 28:20
Okay. 

Carmen Mirabile 28:20
left and then came back like 10 years later. 

Brad Cox 28:22
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 28:23
Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 28:24
But, 

Rich Bennett 28:24
'cause... 

Carmen Mirabile 28:25
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 28:25
I think that helped launch D. O. as well. 

Dan Bennett 28:27
Mm-hmm. 

Carmen Mirabile 28:27
Ah, yeah. So, that was the start of this incredible musical journey for me, that opened up like everything else, so you talked about... It's not just hard rock, but classic rock, so like your lead Zeppelin's, your pink... Like, it all opened up for me because of that one 

Brad Cox 28:46
Did 

Carmen Mirabile 28:46
moment, and... 

Brad Cox 28:46
you love that final concert? 

Rich Bennett 28:49
Oh, my 

Carmen Mirabile 28:50
God, oh my God. I was... 

Brad Cox 28:53
Over 

Dan Bennett 28:53
The 

Brad Cox 28:53
the 

Carmen Mirabile 28:53
moon. 

Dan Bennett 28:54
one who blew me away the woes was Youngblood, 

Carmen Mirabile 28:56
Who 

Dan Bennett 28:56
who was 

Carmen Mirabile 28:56
was a 

Dan Bennett 28:56
a 

Carmen Mirabile 28:56
guy 

Dan Bennett 28:56
guy... 

Carmen Mirabile 28:56
I'd heard of 

Rich Bennett 28:57
Youngblood, 

Dan Bennett 28:57
already. 

Brad Cox 28:58
he was great. 

Rich Bennett 28:59
but 

Dan Bennett 28:59
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 28:59
the other one that really blew me away, I think, who did... My mom coming home, Jelly Roll. 

Carmen Mirabile 29:04
that was during Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 

Rich Bennett 29:06
But, yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 29:07
Rock and Roll Hall 

Rich Bennett 29:07
Like, 

Carmen Mirabile 29:07
of Fame. 

Rich Bennett 29:08
God, when Jelly 

Carmen Mirabile 29:09
Roll... 

Rich Bennett 29:09
Radad's like, 

Dan Bennett 29:10
mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 29:11
Something about when he sings, he puts so much 

Dan Bennett 29:16
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 29:17
meaning behind it. 

Dan Bennett 29:18
yeah. Every 

Rich Bennett 29:18
Oh, 

Dan Bennett 29:19
day he goes on stage, he sounds like he's grateful to just not be in a prison cell anymore, and I think he is. You know? 

Carmen Mirabile 29:24
No. 

Dan Bennett 29:25
Absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 29:26
Yeah. And that man's lost what? 200 pounds? 

Brad Cox 29:28
Yeah. His video's always him running now, and getting healthy, and... 

Rich Bennett 29:32
Great. You get back into wrestling ring again. 

Dan Bennett 29:35
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 29:35
Did he do that? 

Rich Bennett 29:36
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 29:37
I don't know the j 

Rich Bennett 29:38
Yeah, he wrestled, it was him 

Dan Bennett 29:40
-- 

Rich Bennett 29:40
and 

Dan Bennett 29:40
Is God 

Rich Bennett 29:41
Randy 

Dan Bennett 29:41
changing? 

Rich Bennett 29:41
Orton against... 

Dan Bennett 29:42
Jelly Roll to like... 

Rich Bennett 29:42
Drew McAntyre 

Dan Bennett 29:43
Jelly. 

Rich Bennett 29:43
and Logan Paul. 

Carmen Mirabile 29:44
Spinage Rollers. 

Dan Bennett 29:45
He's 

Rich Bennett 29:45
Spin... 

Dan Bennett 29:45
like-- 

Brad Cox 29:46
Yeah. Keesh. 

Dan Bennett 29:48
Keesh. 

Rich Bennett 29:49
And that's why, because Ozzy was the 

Carmen Mirabile 29:51
You were introduced... What was the first one 

Rich Bennett 29:52
first... 

Carmen Mirabile 29:52
that you were introduced 

Rich Bennett 29:53
as 

Carmen Mirabile 29:53
to 

Rich Bennett 29:53
far as Rock? I'm trying to remember the first... Have all my listen to, the first Rock, have all my listen to. It had to be one of my brothers. 

Carmen Mirabile 30:05
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:05
And the only one I could think it was Johnny Winner still alive and well, but there had to be something before that. 

Carmen Mirabile 30:11
I've forgiven my brother for all those days that he would just beat me up because of that one moment of bringing that album. And like, okay, it's a wash, because 

Brad Cox 30:21
it 

Carmen Mirabile 30:22
changed me. 

Rich Bennett 30:23
What was the first Rock album you heard? 

Brad Cox 30:25
The first one I heard was actually... Well, I had come on, feel the noise on like, 

Carmen Mirabile 30:31
Yeah? 

Brad Cox 30:31
one of those forty-five. 

Rich Bennett 30:32
Got it. 

Brad Cox 30:33
And I was only like six, I was like a little kid. I guess the first cassette was Night Song by Cinderella. then... Yeah, he's amazing. And then the 

Carmen Mirabile 30:44
And 

Brad Cox 30:44
next one was Zeppelin 

Rich Bennett 30:45
Very 

Brad Cox 30:45
III. 

Rich Bennett 30:46
underrated. 

Brad Cox 30:47
So it was Cinderella, Night Songs, and then Zeppelin III and then where it all made sense for me, like kind of like that sky party minute was appetite for destruction. 

Rich Bennett 30:56
Oh yeah. 

Brad Cox 30:57
Yeah. That's just, it's like this is everything, because if you're young, you're full-pissed vinegar, and it had all the high vocals and the technical prowess, but also the fury. 

Carmen Mirabile 31:05
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 31:06
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:07
I guess Green Day was the first... No. 

Dan Bennett 31:08
Oh no, 

Rich Bennett 31:09
no. 

Dan Bennett 31:09
no, 

Rich Bennett 31:09
The first one 

Dan Bennett 31:10
no, 

Rich Bennett 31:10
for you? 

Dan Bennett 31:10
I know the first rock album I ever bought with my own money was "Chocolate Starfish" and the hot 

Brad Cox 31:17
Oh

Dan Bennett 31:17
water by... 

Rich Bennett 31:19
god. 

Dan Bennett 31:19
But, before that, I know like at ages 5, 6, 6, 7. 

Rich Bennett 31:23
Eight, nine. 

Dan Bennett 31:25
Yeah. I know I had "Animo of the State" by Blink 182 and I know I had "Hybrid Theory" by Lincoln Park and both of those albums still hold up to this day for me. And I definitely remember like sitting there with a boom box, putting either the whole album or just song after song and just replaying one song over and over, that kind of fixation. 

Rich Bennett 31:45
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Carmen Mirabile 33:11
at one thing. 

Rich Bennett 33:12
The one thing you hear bark at the moon, crazy training and all that, but I think one of the things he doesn't get enough credit for was his balance. lot 

Carmen Mirabile 33:27
A 

Rich Bennett 33:27
of people think I couldn't have been done by I would Aussie do something like that. But oh 

Carmen Mirabile 33:32
They 

Rich Bennett 33:32
my 

Carmen Mirabile 33:32
were 

Rich Bennett 33:32
god. powerful. 

Carmen Mirabile 33:33
good by the 

Dan Bennett 33:35
Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 33:35
romance so tired believer 

Rich Bennett 33:38
He did lead a forward 

Carmen Mirabile 33:40
Don't close your eyes. 

Rich Bennett 33:43
Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 33:44
close your 

Dan Bennett 33:45
eyes. Mm-hmm 

Carmen Mirabile 33:46
close my eyes forever. That's 

Rich Bennett 33:47
right. 

Dan Bennett 33:48
that's 

Rich Bennett 33:48
Okay. 

Brad Cox 33:49
Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 33:49
Gosh 

Brad Cox 33:49
that's 

Dan Bennett 33:51
Well, he turned all he turned on like a he dug into his 

Carmen Mirabile 33:55
with 

Dan Bennett 33:55
honesty A lot. He also had his like a mr. Crowley and just stuff like I of absurd. Oh, it's a great 

Brad Cox 34:03
Kind 

Dan Bennett 34:03
song, but it doesn't mean anything like I mean I 

Carmen Mirabile 34:06
That's the difference of really good hard rock is you know, you can be heavy But then there's that melody and I think that's that's what Aussie excelled Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 34:18
since since we were talking about Aussie 

Brad Cox 34:20
rain As 

Rich Bennett 34:22
long 

Brad Cox 34:22
had 

Rich Bennett 34:22
I 

all right trying to get morbid again 

Dan Bennett 34:28
Which 

Rich Bennett 34:28
But it's a song that I say I've won it played at my funeral and It reminds me of 

Carmen Mirabile 34:37
best 

Rich Bennett 34:37
my When he died and it was who was 

The least singer of quiet right who was Steve 

Brad Cox 34:48
Perry 

Carmen Mirabile 34:48
Kevin DeBro 

Rich Bennett 34:49
Kevin DeBro started writing this when Randy roads was in the Thunderbird 

Carmen Mirabile 34:54
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 34:56
yeah, And 

Carmen Mirabile 34:57
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 34:58
that when when and he just put it on 

Carmen Mirabile 35:00
the show 

Rich Bennett 35:02
And then when Randy Roode's passed away 

Up and finished it and it just It 

Carmen Mirabile 35:14
wasn't ahead. It was it was off of the metal 

Rich Bennett 35:16
right 

Carmen Mirabile 35:16
health coming 

Rich Bennett 35:17
Which was 

Carmen Mirabile 35:18
but yeah, there was I think there was two other songs 

Brad Cox 35:20
that song 

Carmen Mirabile 35:21
It's a great song, but you're right most people thought it was his way to memorialize Randy roads But he had written it already it just happened to be at fit the moment of being able to memorialize his best friend 

Rich Bennett 35:35
Yeah, it's just give you some like beginning hello you yes, it's me You can't come back you're flying free you think you found everything that you need fly away fly away to your new home across this I mean, it's just when you hear His singing it's just 

Carmen Mirabile 35:55
It means so he kind of wrote it because Randy had this great opportunity so like quiet right we're all best friends, but they understood that he had to go do this thing 

Dan Bennett 36:05
We understand 

Carmen Mirabile 36:06
But it took 

Brad Cox 36:07
right 

Carmen Mirabile 36:07
such a 

Brad Cox 36:08
right 

Carmen Mirabile 36:08
different it meant 

Brad Cox 36:09
good friend. 

Carmen Mirabile 36:09
something completely 

Rich Bennett 36:10
Yeah 

Carmen Mirabile 36:11
different once Randy Roode's died 

Rich Bennett 36:12
And I think if I'm not mistaken I had in here 

Who oh Rudy Sarso yeah Came back for that because he was a quiet right 

Carmen Mirabile 36:26
and left right left went to Aussie's band and I went back 

Rich Bennett 36:29
For that album 

But all men powerful 

Carmen Mirabile 36:35
house. Yeah, it's a great song Good one Rich 

Rich Bennett 36:38
Well, thank 

Brad Cox 36:38
you. That's a deep cut. 

Rich Bennett 36:40
It actually 

Brad Cox 36:42
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 36:42
is. 

Brad Cox 36:42
the best songs are. 

Rich Bennett 36:43
Yeah. Oh, yeah. But if you're ever going to change, you gotta listen to it. And I'm, that was my. 

Okay, nobody else covered it, did they? Yeah! Not any, hold on. 

Ain't nobody, no way. 

Carmen Mirabile 37:06
Yeah. That's the only one I know. I don't know if 

Rich Bennett 37:09
else. 

Carmen Mirabile 37:09
anybody 

Rich Bennett 37:09
That's why I'm pulling it up right now 

Carmen Mirabile 37:11
little 

Rich Bennett 37:11
is a 

Carmen Mirabile 37:12
clean. 

Rich Bennett 37:12
And, no, nobody covered it. Okay, good. Cause that would have been, 

actually I don't even know if it's on their greatest hits. 

Brad Cox 37:29
No, no, I was just kind of checking it out. It's working. It's getting warmer. I didn't wear as 

Carmen Mirabile 37:34
much. 

Rich Bennett 37:36
Oh, yeah. What you got, bra. Yeah. A second song I named that neither you are. Well, then he knows. 

Dan Bennett 37:44
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 37:45
Have you ever listened to it? 

Dan Bennett 37:46
I've listened to it a couple 

Carmen Mirabile 37:47
Okay. 

Dan Bennett 37:47
times. 

Brad Cox 37:48
Okay. So my second song was Guns and Versus Koma. 

Rich Bennett 37:52
Wow! 

Brad Cox 37:52
That's another 

Dan Bennett 37:53
views your illusion, two. One. 

Brad Cox 37:55
Last 

Dan Bennett 37:55
One. 

Brad Cox 37:56
track. And it's another 10 minute song, which I don't even know if it has a chorus, which is kind of interesting. Cause nothing really comes around the main guitar riff does. But I guess I, I didn't realize it was about axles a suicide attempt. 

Rich Bennett 38:11
Right. 

Brad Cox 38:11
And what he went through and, and all that, I didn't realize that when I listened to it, I always took it to be about like somebody's ego being larger than themselves. And so they're kind of living this fake or false reality or version of themselves. Like they're living in a coma. Like the rest of the people can kind of see it, but they're in their own little world. Cause the lyrics worked that way too. 

Rich Bennett 38:32
I didn't realize. 

Brad Cox 38:35
Yeah, I didn't either. Yeah, he tried to come up with pills and alcohol. And then he apparently came out of it and realized like what are you done? And it was kind of like a second lethal thing. So 

Carmen Mirabile 38:47
yeah, 

Brad Cox 38:47
it's, it's a really great song. 

Dan Bennett 38:53
Yeah, yeah, 

Brad Cox 38:55
yeah. But it's like the very end of the song is probably like 400 words. I mean, he just like firing these words 

Carmen Mirabile 39:01
going 

Brad Cox 39:01
off. This isn't 

Carmen Mirabile 39:02
to keep it. 

Brad Cox 39:03
But let me see if I can find some of the best here. Let's see. It's funny. I can't find here, but okay, but if home is where the hardest than their stories to be told, no, you don't need a doctor. No one else can heal, heal your soul and it just lyrics like that for like, I don't know, like four minutes of the song. 

Rich Bennett 39:24
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 39:25
and it's just really impactful. And as a kid like you're just like like I loved appetite. But I think the usual news now showed what the band was capable of. And just sitting there with the liner, I was reading this. I'm like, this is next level. Like this isn't like Warren or Skid Row, or any of those bands. Like this. This is a band that's like really moving the needle doing something. 

Carmen Mirabile 39:46
Those two albums are incredible. 

Brad Cox 39:48
Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 39:48
I mean, you get, it runs the gram of gamut from everything from like this beautiful 

Brad Cox 39:54
a strain. 

Carmen Mirabile 39:54
technical song, like a strange or civil war to get in the ring when he just basically is going off on people 

Brad Cox 40:02
like. 

Carmen Mirabile 40:03
just a rant. So 

Dan Bennett 40:05
It's 

Carmen Mirabile 40:05
I think you're right. 

Rich Bennett 40:08
for those of you, listen, and Brad 

Carmen Mirabile 40:10
And 

Rich Bennett 40:10
mentioned 

Dan Bennett 40:10
something died like a year 

Rich Bennett 40:11
may 

Dan Bennett 40:12
after 

Rich Bennett 40:12
not be aware of liner notes. yeah, it's 

Brad Cox 40:15
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 40:15
something you would get in an album. 

Brad Cox 40:18
I want to recreate that experience with the our new record. I want to have it on vinyl and I want to have the book in there. Because I mean, 

Dan Bennett 40:25
It's 

Brad Cox 40:25
this is not really a great 

Rich Bennett 40:26
not 

Brad Cox 40:26
experience. 

Rich Bennett 40:27
it's not. That's one thing. I love the bad albums, you know, 

Dan Bennett 40:30
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 40:30
the 

liner notes and the covers. 

Carmen Mirabile 40:35
Just the pictures. 

Rich Bennett 40:36
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 40:36
going to sound crazy or dumb, but one artist who laughed if you want one artist who took that to heart, was Taylor Swift. For a long time. I think she probably still does, but I'm not buying her albums anymore. But 

Rich Bennett 40:47
It's 

Dan Bennett 40:47
she would like in hers 

Brad Cox 40:49
anymore. 

Dan Bennett 40:49
In her lyrics, she would capitalize certain letters to put like a hidden message in the song itself. 

Rich Bennett 40:55
I hate you 

Dan Bennett 40:56
Alright, 

Rich Bennett 40:56
harries. 

Dan Bennett 40:57
yes, exactly. Pretty much. 

Rich Bennett 40:59
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 40:59
I mean, there is a lost art to it really. Like what I said about diary in my next selection, we're really about the artwork of the album first drew me to it before I even listened to it. So I may not have even given these artists or these records a chance if not for that. That looks pretty cool. 

Brad Cox 41:22
You don't really get music videos anymore. That was part of the experience. 

Rich Bennett 41:26
No. 

Brad Cox 41:26
Obviously the physical medium was part of the experience, 

Rich Bennett 41:29
but yeah. The other thing is too with the album covers it helped launch a lot of artist. You know, and the other thing is too a lot of those are going to go 

Brad Cox 41:41
thinking 

Rich Bennett 41:42
of Kansas. 

Brad Cox 41:43
Kansas 

Rich Bennett 41:45
became pop. College radio. radio stations are out there 

Brad Cox 41:50
College 

Rich Bennett 41:50
that still play rock besides I mean the local one here. But not a lot of them and most of your regular radio stations are all syndicated anyway. How many times you could drive in the car you could turn 

Brad Cox 42:02
on 

Rich Bennett 42:03
two or three different channels here and are playing the same song because it's all in by the same company. You know, but not I think God vinyl is still around. 

Brad Cox 42:13
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 42:14
it'd be nice if everybody that put out something. 

Carmen Mirabile 42:17
If 

Rich Bennett 42:17
they could. I know it's a lot easier now because people can just put stuff right on Spotify or YouTube. But 

Brad Cox 42:25
yeah, but the thing is that like if the satellites fall out of the sky like half my catalog's gone. 

Rich Bennett 42:30
what did that happen? I 

Brad Cox 42:32
No, 

Rich Bennett 42:32
mean the satellites didn't fall out of the sky. 

Brad Cox 42:34
No, but like yeah, 

Rich Bennett 42:35
So 

Brad Cox 42:35
there's 

Rich Bennett 42:35
with 

Brad Cox 42:35
so 

Rich Bennett 42:35
that 

Brad Cox 42:36
much. 

Rich Bennett 42:36
copy right or not the cop the trademark situation, you a lot of your music was not available. 

Brad Cox 42:42
Yeah, that's a whole other 

Rich Bennett 42:44
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 42:44
thing. actually the IP is becoming my favorite thing now because I won the lawsuit. 

But I just got a 

Carmen Mirabile 42:55
self 

Brad Cox 42:56
for $1. 5 billion and if you're one of your books is on this list, you're getting a $3, 000 check. And so you just have to follow the claim and a claim you can't sue them additionally. So 

Dan Bennett 43:09
right 

Brad Cox 43:09
I followed the claim and I'll say my $3, 000 but basically any of these like AI models that were using other people's books to train their robots. So now the robots are paying me 

Dan Bennett 43:22
hell yet. 

Rich Bennett 43:23
Good. 

Brad Cox 43:24
That's pretty awesome. So I just follow the claims. 

Carmen Mirabile 43:27
Before they become new over 

Brad Cox 43:29
right. 

Dan Bennett 43:30
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 43:33
Sounds like a song. Go ahead, Bubba. 

Dan Bennett 43:35
Well, keeping with the theme of artists, the artwork on the albums and all there was also an aesthetic back then, because when I see green day they're wearing like black dress shirts with red ties. So that I'm looking what other bands are doing black dress shirts with red ties right now and I find the use and I find my chemical 

Carmen Mirabile 43:54
and 

Dan Bennett 43:54
around that same time grumpy had died. My grandfather and poppy both in the same year. The use has a song called all that I've got which the lead singer who when I first sees pale face jet black hair like this guy looks weird as hell but they sound really cool let's check them out. I know the artwork was like black and white except a red heart hanging on a string the album is called in love and death. Yeah, but yeah, they also had a song called I caught fire that I played for my dad. It's like a love song. It's like loving you reminds me of the first time I caught on fire. He heard that and he was like, did this guy set himself on fire? I don't know, dad I'm 12. Sure, maybe probably but yeah, all that I've got is a song about the lead singer's Chihuahua dying. It sounds so powerful and you could just attribute that to you know, I mean everybody loves their dog. Even if it's a little Chihuahua that you just hold in your hoodie or 

Rich Bennett 44:48
but. 

Dan Bennett 44:49
whatever 

Rich Bennett 44:49
I haven't gotten to those since 

Dan Bennett 44:50
you 

Rich Bennett 44:51
since 

Dan Bennett 44:51
know 

Rich Bennett 44:51
because I just 

Dan Bennett 44:52
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 44:53
yeah, I can't. 

Dan Bennett 44:54
But the relatability regardless is still there in the honesty to open up about something like that and put that on an album. Even though you turn it into a rock song that everyone's going to sing along to. But that was also the whole vibe of that early 2000s emo music or the use was more scream-o just emo with screaming in it where you just tap into this kind of morbid stuff going back to death. And it's not even explicitly like I miss my Chihuahua but it's just about I miss this figure in my life so I can easily attribute that to 

Brad Cox 45:24
it's yeah, 

Dan Bennett 45:25
grandfather grandmother sister anybody. 

Rich Bennett 45:27
And just to let you know back in the 50's and 60's bands were wearing suits. 

Dan Bennett 45:33
Well, yeah. Hey, the style circulates. 

Brad Cox 45:36
But did they have the black hair swooping over the eye mysteriously? 

Dan Bennett 45:39
no, no, but 

Rich Bennett 45:40
Well, 

Dan Bennett 45:40
they did have jet black hair. 

Rich Bennett 45:42
Well, yeah, it was a screech bag with the with the duct tape. 

Brad Cox 45:45
Jean still 

Dan Bennett 45:46
Yes, 

Brad Cox 45:46
has. 

Dan Bennett 45:46
with the exception of key for Sutherland. 

Brad Cox 45:48
Jean Sim is still has it. It looks like it looks like a clown hair. 

Dan Bennett 45:53
He 

Rich Bennett 45:53
like, I love kiss. But I think that's a wig. 

Brad Cox 45:56
It's got. 

Carmen Mirabile 45:57
It's got to be a wig. 

Dan Bennett 45:58
It's a bad wig. 

Brad Cox 46:00
That he's just dying it so 

Rich Bennett 46:01
Well, 

Brad Cox 46:02
much. 

Rich Bennett 46:02
it's 

Brad Cox 46:02
like unnaturally black. 

Rich Bennett 46:04
Most of these hair metal bands are wearing wigs 

Carmen Mirabile 46:06
now. 

Dan Bennett 46:07
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 46:08
they don't have a choice. I mean, because it's there. They go out to perform day, that's their thing. Yeah, thank God some of them aren't wearing spandex. It kind of sucks as some of them are and they shouldn't be. But I think who's been just played here wasn't a rock. It wasn't. The dude had the weird hair floccac. 

Dan Bennett 46:32
Oh, 

Brad Cox 46:33
star center. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 46:33
but he didn't even have. What did he like the what it bullhorn? He did. 

Dan Bennett 46:37
Yeah, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 46:38
but do that. 

Carmen Mirabile 46:41
Did 

Dan Bennett 46:41
even play I ran. 

Brad Cox 46:42
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 46:43
they have to 

Brad Cox 46:44
it's pretty good. 

Dan Bennett 46:45
I'm pretty sure he resents that song though. I think they all do as much money 

Carmen Mirabile 46:48
one. 

Dan Bennett 46:48
as it 

Rich Bennett 46:48
may. 

Carmen Mirabile 46:49
I mean, 

Rich Bennett 46:49
What 

Carmen Mirabile 46:49
if I paid money to go see them, 

Rich Bennett 46:51
they better 

Carmen Mirabile 46:51
they 

Rich Bennett 46:51
per 

Carmen Mirabile 46:52
better play that 

Brad Cox 46:52
the 

Carmen Mirabile 46:52
like 10, 

Brad Cox 46:53
only 

Carmen Mirabile 46:54
right? They better play like 10 times. 

Brad Cox 46:55
That's right. That's the sentence 12 

Carmen Mirabile 46:57
just right. 

Dan Bennett 46:58
but there are some 

Brad Cox 46:59
No, 

Dan Bennett 46:59
artists who perform live and they don't want to play their big song. Like Peter Frampton apparently has told crowds. I'm not playing. Do you feel like we do 

Rich Bennett 47:06
supposedly 

Dan Bennett 47:06
vanilla if you don't like that leave 

Rich Bennett 47:07
when it did do ice 

Carmen Mirabile 47:08
baby. 

Rich Bennett 47:08
ice 

Dan Bennett 47:09
oh, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 47:09
He was 

Dan Bennett 47:10
that's a town. That's a town can of warms too. 

Carmen Mirabile 47:12
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 47:14
Well, he he recorded that song 

Rich Bennett 47:16
and as metal song. 

Brad Cox 47:17
Yeah, it was like two cold or something like 

Rich Bennett 47:19
that. 

Brad Cox 47:20
And it was terrible. 

Rich Bennett 47:22
Yeah, I mean. The artists who do, they just despise 

certain song, especially you saw that line in the, I guess 80s of the hair metal 

Dan Bennett 47:33
doing 

Rich Bennett 47:33
because if you're a hair metal band, you had to have a balance. I don't didn't want to do the. You know, 

Dan Bennett 47:39
but as a formula 

Rich Bennett 47:40
here, one of the, I think one of the. 

And unfortunately, they a lot of 

Carmen Mirabile 47:48
people. 

Rich Bennett 47:50
And it was a ballot, love song, but when it to 

Carmen Mirabile 47:53
It's 

Rich Bennett 47:53
me. Oh, 

Carmen Mirabile 47:54
a 

Dan Bennett 47:54
Tesla. 

Rich Bennett 47:55
Tesla one of the 

Brad Cox 47:55
Oh, it's a song 

Rich Bennett 47:56
out there. 

Dan Bennett 47:56
I was thinking of the cure at first, 

Rich Bennett 47:58
Now, 

Dan Bennett 47:58
but there. 

Rich Bennett 47:59
but yeah, but I mean, love songs are good song, but to me, it's one of their worst songs. Dirt, oh, yeah. 

Brad Cox 48:05
But Tesla's 

Rich Bennett 48:07
great. 

Brad Cox 48:07
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 48:08
Tesla's all. Go ahead, 

Brad Cox 48:10
the way that it 

Rich Bennett 48:11
go ahead, 

Brad Cox 48:11
is or the way 

Carmen Mirabile 48:11
is. 

Brad Cox 48:11
it 

Rich Bennett 48:13
man, yeah. Here's, I mean, for back, there's a 

Carmen Mirabile 48:15
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 48:16
lot of. Great bands back then that you a lot of your one hit wonders. Unfortunately. 

The 

Carmen Mirabile 48:24
song that was it 

Rich Bennett 48:25
was probably their worst song. 

Carmen Mirabile 48:27
There's a great hair metal band that most people don't know zebra. 

Rich Bennett 48:31
Oh, yeah, oh my god. 

Carmen Mirabile 48:32
Yeah, he was behind the door. 

Rich Bennett 48:33
Yes, I love zebra. 

Brad Cox 48:36
I've heard the name. 

Carmen Mirabile 48:37
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 48:38
angel member angel, which was I think put together by. Dimmins and who came. Grage Farrer who also had the band Jaffer. Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 48:49
it's 

Rich Bennett 48:50
gotcha. Another one that really didn't have that maybe it had one or two hits. 

Carmen Mirabile 48:55
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 48:56
But yeah, there's 

the matter, Brad? 

Brad Cox 49:01
nothing. What's 

Rich Bennett 49:01
Oh, 

Carmen Mirabile 49:03
all right, we're going to go from 1981 to 1984. 

Brad Cox 49:07
Look 

Rich Bennett 49:07
Man, 

Brad Cox 49:07
at 

Rich Bennett 49:07
we're 

Brad Cox 49:08
part. 

Rich Bennett 49:08
taking a big jump here called 

Carmen Mirabile 49:09
we took 

Brad Cox 49:10
three whole years. 

Rich Bennett 49:12
what van 

Carmen Mirabile 49:13
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 49:13
handling. We said that's 

Carmen Mirabile 49:15
so 

Dan Bennett 49:15
pretty sure I went from 

Carmen Mirabile 49:17
I 

Dan Bennett 49:17
2000. 

Carmen Mirabile 49:19
grew up in highland town. 

Rich Bennett 49:21
OK. 

Carmen Mirabile 49:23
So highland town had on Eastern Avenue. We called it the avenue before white marshes in Avenue. That was the avenue. 

Rich Bennett 49:30
Yep. 

Carmen Mirabile 49:30
So it was all the, you know, you had your firefly and sunny surplus. 

Rich Bennett 49:34
And 

Carmen Mirabile 49:35
your Woolworths and Patterson Theater was there. There's also a record store called record go around. 

Rich Bennett 49:42
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 49:43
So every Friday. I would take myself to record go around to buy an album because I felt like I deserved it for having to put up with a whole week's worth of school that I earned it. And I even remember an album most of the albums were 6.99 7.34 with tax and I would bring exact change to get my album for 7.34. One day I went in, usually I knew something that I wanted. This time I'm like, "I have no idea what I want. I'm just going to look around." And I saw this album, it was blue, and I had these lightning bolts coming down. 

Dan Bennett 50:27
Oh, yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 50:28
it. And there was an electric chair in the middle of it. It was called Ride the Lightning. 

Brad Cox 50:35
Bad at 

Carmen Mirabile 50:36
So 

Brad Cox 50:36
like, 

Carmen Mirabile 50:36
I'm "All right, this is a really cool album cover. I took it home, put that needle on, and Metallica, that dual guitar from Metallica plays this very melodic intro that that fades into the hardest, fastest song, Fightfire 

Brad Cox 50:59
World. That 

Carmen Mirabile 51:01
you could 

Brad Cox 51:01
do. What 

Carmen Mirabile 51:01
ever 

Brad Cox 51:01
about every gym songs? 

Carmen Mirabile 51:02
Again, the clouds parted. And that album is just another milestone in that musical journey for me. 

Rich Bennett 51:14
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 51:15
Come to find out, just like diary, it was the second album and it's like, "Wow, there's another one so I went back and got killing them all." That one even blew my mind even more. So, again, just all part of that musical journey. There is not a bad song on Ride the Lightning. I'd pick Fightfire with Fire because that's the first song when that needle hit the record to have it open up as melodic as it did and then just to be so furious. And it's the speed, it's the fury, but it's the songwriting and it's the melody. A lot of those thrash bands and death metal bands that it's speed and 

Rich Bennett 52:01
Mm-hmm. 

Carmen Mirabile 52:02
fury without any reason, without any melody. And Metallica is just so far above and beyond. 

Dan Bennett 52:11
That's why 

Carmen Mirabile 52:11
Italian. That's a 

Dan Bennett 52:11
I'm 

Carmen Mirabile 52:11
whole different 

Dan Bennett 52:12
One day 

Carmen Mirabile 52:12
thing. 

Dan Bennett 52:12
are the big bands out of those and people can call them cell outs all they want, but their 

Rich Bennett 52:16
They're nice 

Dan Bennett 52:17
category is broader than their own genre that they come up in. Which gets them outcasts at the end of the day, but then they're also in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and playing to 

Rich Bennett 52:26
though. 

Dan Bennett 52:26
hundreds of thousands of people in stadiums. 

Brad Cox 52:28
Oh, really? 

Dan Bennett 52:28
Who's the real loser? The 

Brad Cox 52:30
guy in the basement. 

Rich Bennett 52:32
Yeah. Metallica performed with

was it the San Francisco Symphony? 

Brad Cox 52:35
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 52:35
yeah, they 

Rich Bennett 52:36
That

Carmen Mirabile 52:36
did two albums. 

Rich Bennett 52:37
They 

Dan Bennett 52:38
two. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 52:38
did 

Dan Bennett 52:38
we can make fun of Lars Ulrich. Oh, we want, but 

Brad Cox 52:40
he's pretty great. He was innovative. 

Dan Bennett 52:43
He's the drummer Metallica. 

Carmen Mirabile 52:45
And 

Dan Bennett 52:46
time. 

Rich Bennett 52:46
a 

Dan Bennett 52:46
I 

Rich Bennett 52:46
huge 

Dan Bennett 52:47
guess. 

Rich Bennett 52:48
He came from... 

Brad Cox 52:49
I think so. 

Carmen Mirabile 52:50
tennis. 

Rich Bennett 52:50
Denmark 

Carmen Mirabile 52:50
Yes, 

Rich Bennett 52:51
where he 

Carmen Mirabile 52:52
his father was a professional 

Rich Bennett 52:54
Yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 52:54
tennis 

Rich Bennett 52:54
and he was like

Dan Bennett 52:56
player. 

Rich Bennett 52:56
Lars was rated as one of the best tennis players over there, came over here while he was no longer rated as one of the best. 

Dan Bennett 53:03
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 53:03
just

I have to laugh when you hear from these technical drum files 

Brad Cox 53:08
I 

Carmen Mirabile 53:08
or 

Rich Bennett 53:09
these

uh-huh. 

Carmen Mirabile 53:10
Technical

oh, he doesn't do

he's not

be quiet. 

Dan Bennett 53:14
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 53:14
He's a great drummer in a great band, so just stop. Just stop trying to nit-pick 

Rich Bennett 53:21
He 

Carmen Mirabile 53:21
there. 

Dan Bennett 53:22
definitely doesn't care, but it's also the fact that they're in metal. And I mean 

Brad Cox 53:26
like

Dan Bennett 53:27
oh, Ginger Baker. Well, Ginger Baker is pretty damn good. But like from like the 80s on back, they didn't have the double bass and all the blast beats and 

Rich Bennett 53:35
They 

Dan Bennett 53:35
everything that they've done. 

Rich Bennett 53:36
didn't have this

Dan Bennett 53:37
Yeah, Joey 

Rich Bennett 53:37
he 

Dan Bennett 53:37
Jordeson 

Rich Bennett 53:37
kicks all that. 

Dan Bennett 53:38
was technically super sound, but 

Rich Bennett 53:42
it's the

a 

Dan Bennett 53:43
double kick, double 

Rich Bennett 53:44
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 53:44
bass. 

Rich Bennett 53:44
they didn't have

well, no. Yeah, but they didn't

I see double bass, I

Carmen Mirabile 53:49
you 

Rich Bennett 53:49
say double bass, I'm thinking two bass drums. 

Dan Bennett 53:52
Two 

Carmen Mirabile 53:53
one 

Dan Bennett 53:53
kicks on 

Carmen Mirabile 53:54
bass 

Rich Bennett 53:54
and

Allen 

Dan Bennett 53:55
John

Rich Bennett 53:56
Allen did originally, but now you have the double 

Dan Bennett 53:57
pedal. 

Rich Bennett 53:58
kick 

Dan Bennett 53:58
Oh yeah, that's the whole intro of Hot for Teacher. It's just

just the bass. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 54:03
Awesome intro. Awesome intro. 

Carmen Mirabile 54:05
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 54:06
But now when I 

Brad Cox 54:07
saw

because 

Rich Bennett 54:08
they put the video out with the San Francisco 

Brad Cox 54:11
Orchestra

Rich Bennett 54:11
Symphony 

Brad Cox 54:11
that's so good. 

Carmen Mirabile 54:12
Oh my 

Dan Bennett 54:12
Mhmm. 

Rich Bennett 54:13
god. Oh my god. 

Brad Cox 54:14
Battery. 

Rich Bennett 54:14
Actually, is there 

Brad Cox 54:15
band 

Rich Bennett 54:15
another 

Brad Cox 54:16
that's set off for hasta one concert? 

Rich Bennett 54:18
Besides the

Dan Bennett 54:19
I'm sure. I'm sure Motorhead probably did. 

Rich Bennett 54:21
I don't know. Never... 

Dan Bennett 54:23
Oh, that one was recent when they [BLANK_AUDIO] 

Rich Bennett 54:25
And I was rea 

Dan Bennett 54:26
at West Virginia. 

Rich Bennett 54:29
one of them. 

Carmen Mirabile 54:29
I 

Rich Bennett 54:29
Did you 

Brad Cox 54:30
mean, 

Rich Bennett 54:30
hear about 

Carmen Mirabile 54:31
that? I didn't know that. 

Rich Bennett 54:32
Yeah, they were performing at the college 

Brad Cox 54:36
outside 

Rich Bennett 54:36
and they went into, I think it was saying, man, 

Carmen Mirabile 54:39
Oh, that's Virginia Tech, 

Rich Bennett 54:41
and Virginia Tech, 

Carmen Mirabile 54:42
because 

Rich Bennett 54:42
yes. 

Carmen Mirabile 54:42
Virginia Tech, you 

Dan Bennett 54:43
black, 

Carmen Mirabile 54:43
and her sandman for their football game. 

Rich Bennett 54:45
Okay. 

Carmen Mirabile 54:46
they played, they did it, they did a show there. 

Rich Bennett 54:49
So 

Carmen Mirabile 54:49
And it's like a hundred thousand people just 

Rich Bennett 54:51
jumping up 

Carmen Mirabile 54:51
jumping 

Rich Bennett 54:51
at that and it registered all the Richter's. Wow, 

Brad Cox 54:55
I 

Rich Bennett 54:56
because 

Brad Cox 54:56
make it up as a technical. And Dave, you know, but 

Dan Bennett 55:00
until 

Brad Cox 55:00
Metallica's right singers. 

Dan Bennett 55:04
But 

Brad Cox 55:04
Metallica is more mindful about what they're saying. They, they're more songs and make it. That's just trying to write really technically hard to play. 

Carmen Mirabile 55:14
The 

songwriter, he's a technically great guitarist. And there's a lot of 

Dan Bennett 55:20
god. 

Carmen Mirabile 55:20
those There's a lot of those like the In-way Mount Mount Steens and Steve Vise. They're technically great guitarist, but there's a reason. 

Brad Cox 55:29
There's 

Carmen Mirabile 55:30
a reason why you don't hear them at the upper, because they can't write songs. 

Rich Bennett 55:36
I 

Dan Bennett 55:36
the very probably had the most women in the crowd when he was playing with David Lee Roth, you know, 

Rich Bennett 55:41
was 

Dan Bennett 55:41
certainly not a Steve Vise solo show or Frank's apple show for that matter. 

Rich Bennett 55:45
And me, I may have been on serious exam, whatever I was. 

You had the band now. It's got a residency out in 

Dan Bennett 55:57
Vegas. 

Brad Cox 55:57
It's 

Rich Bennett 55:58
like van Halen. Because you got my guitarist definitely you can't even compare him to Eddie van Halen. Is Joe Satriger. 

Carmen Mirabile 56:07
just 

Rich Bennett 56:07
I'm 

Dan Bennett 56:08
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 56:08
how the 

Dan Bennett 56:08
that would be what chicken foot, right? 

Rich Bennett 56:10
No, it's not chicken. 

Dan Bennett 56:12
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 56:12
because it's not Chad Smith on. 

Dan Bennett 56:13
Oh, okay, 

Rich Bennett 56:14
but yeah, it's like 

Carmen Mirabile 56:15
they're 

Dan Bennett 56:16
cool. 

Rich Bennett 56:16
I liked Eddie. I like. Joe Satriger, Leoni better. 

Dan Bennett 56:21
Joe Satriger, he probably likes Eddie better 

Rich Bennett 56:23
in all 

Dan Bennett 56:24
fairness. 

Joe Satriger, Johnny's great. And they're both unique in their own little styleings, too. 

Rich Bennett 56:30
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 56:30
But yeah, 

Rich Bennett 56:32
can't 

Brad Cox 56:34
I 

Rich Bennett 56:34
I 

Brad Cox 56:34
love Steve, 

Rich Bennett 56:35
don't think. 

Dan Bennett 56:36
Oh, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 56:36
who, 

Dan Bennett 56:36
true. 

Brad Cox 56:37
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 56:38
oh, yeah, that one guitar he put, 

Brad Cox 56:40
and 

Rich Bennett 56:40
he built. 

Brad Cox 56:41
Oh, 

Dan Bennett 56:41
no, no, it's great to me. 

Rich Bennett 56:43
Who, 

Dan Bennett 56:43
no, no, batten court. He was from 

Carmen Mirabile 56:45
He 

Dan Bennett 56:45
extreme. 

Rich Bennett 56:45
the. Oh, 

Carmen Mirabile 56:45
was 

Rich Bennett 56:46
okay, 

Carmen Mirabile 56:46
he was the anchor. He was the, he was the VIP of that back 

Brad Cox 56:49
beginning. 

Carmen Mirabile 56:49
to the 

Brad Cox 56:49
Well, he's supposed to do. 

Carmen Mirabile 56:50
he did like he did like eight. Yeah, 

Brad Cox 56:52
Yep, 

Carmen Mirabile 56:53
it was, he 

Brad Cox 56:53
And 

Carmen Mirabile 56:53
was. 

Rich Bennett 56:53
Wow. 

Brad Cox 56:54
he's like, I couldn't just learn him. I had to learn them, learn them because people are valuating every note that you play. 

Rich Bennett 57:00
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 57:01
Yeah, he was 

Brad Cox 57:01
Same. 

Carmen Mirabile 57:01
incredible. 

Dan Bennett 57:02
Uh-huh. 

Rich Bennett 57:03
Man, 

the time, we've been an hour 

Dan Bennett 57:08
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 57:08
already. 

Brad Cox 57:08
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 57:09
really. 

Rich Bennett 57:09
Yeah. But I want to, I, I want to ask y'all something because Carmen brought it up about Lars and drumming. 

Brad Cox 57:17
we're back to 

Rich Bennett 57:18
And 

Brad Cox 57:18
Lars. 

Rich Bennett 57:19
Well, no, no, no, I want to get into instruments as far as, I think we're don't this on an example. For as far as drummers. Who do you, and we'll start with you, Brad. Who do you believe is one of the most? One of the most underrated 

Carmen Mirabile 57:35
out. 

Rich Bennett 57:35
drummers Past or present? 

Brad Cox 57:39
Well, okay. So I'll go back to. 

I don't think he's underrated though, but John bottom. 

Rich Bennett 57:50
I, 

Brad Cox 57:50
I don't think he's underrated. But I don't think people talk about him. Like they would talk about like Neil per 

Dan Bennett 57:54
about 

Rich Bennett 57:55
day. 

Dan Bennett 57:55
not 

Rich Bennett 57:55
Don't talk 

Dan Bennett 57:55
anymore. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 57:56
Oh John bottom. I'm thinking of Jason. I'm thinking of his son. Okay. Never. 

Brad Cox 58:00
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 58:00
John bottoms up like the Mount Rushmore drummers. 

Brad Cox 58:03
I guess. 

Rich Bennett 58:03
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 58:03
So that's why I'm 

Rich Bennett 58:04
That's, but you know, that's a better question, Carmen. Thanks. 

Brad Cox 58:07
so who's. 

Rich Bennett 58:07
Who's on the Mount Rushmore? 

Carmen Mirabile 58:09
That's easy for me. That's easy. 

Rich Bennett 58:10
Okay. 

Brad Cox 58:11
I would put. Um, 

Rich Bennett 58:12
I, it doesn't have to be all rock either. 

Brad Cox 58:14
I mean, hmm. All right. I probably just because I'm a fan and I think he's, he's actually better than he gets credit for his match. So I put him up there. 

Dan Bennett 58:23
Mm 

Brad Cox 58:23
I think he's fantastic. 

Dan Bennett 58:24
From Guns & 

Carmen Mirabile 58:25
Oh, 

Dan Bennett 58:25
Roses, and then 

Rich Bennett 58:25
yeah. 

Dan Bennett 58:26
Velvet revolver. 

Rich Bennett 58:26
Okay. 

Dan Bennett 58:28
One or The 

Carmen Mirabile 58:28
call. 

Brad Cox 58:30
call, 

Dan Bennett 58:30
What 

Carmen Mirabile 58:30
band 

Dan Bennett 58:30
a 

Brad Cox 58:30
he's a, yeah. Um, Neil per. Would be up there 

Carmen Mirabile 58:33
Who 

Brad Cox 58:35
John. 

I would throw up there. 

I don't know. Skip 

Carmen Mirabile 58:44
No, 

Brad Cox 58:45
me. 

Carmen Mirabile 58:45
see, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take his and add to it. So bottom, Neil Perth definitely Danny Carey from Tool goes on Mount Rushmore. 

Brad Cox 58:56
Okay, 

Carmen Mirabile 58:57
Inc, 

Brad Cox 58:58
Danny 

Carmen Mirabile 58:58
just 

Brad Cox 58:58
Longley. 

Carmen Mirabile 58:59
incredible. He's incredible. 

Rich Bennett 59:01
Would you replace anybody, 

Dan Bennett 59:03
Yeah, almost 

Rich Bennett 59:04
Dan? 

Dan Bennett 59:04
everybody. Um, with no offense to any of those guys, because they're all great, but buddy Rich is gonna be 

Rich Bennett 59:09
I 

Dan Bennett 59:09
like, 

Rich Bennett 59:10
was good 

Dan Bennett 59:10
number one on there. 

Rich Bennett 59:11
Buddy Rich. 

Dan Bennett 59:12
He was a jazz guy and, 

Brad Cox 59:13
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 59:14
But a lot of your, a 

Dan Bennett 59:15
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 59:15
lot of your rock drummers. 

Dan Bennett 59:16
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 59:17
my brain won't write the green. 

Dan Bennett 59:18
Um, 

Brad Cox 59:18
that's what the guy's name 

Rich Bennett 59:19
that 

Brad Cox 59:19
is. 

Dan Bennett 59:20
No, cool. And he's not going on my 

Carmen Mirabile 59:22
Mount 

Brad Cox 59:22
Rush, like 

Dan Bennett 59:23
nobody from Green Day would go on my Mount Rush more guys. They just influenced me. 

Brad Cox 59:26
Anyone. 

Dan Bennett 59:27
Um, and then so buddy Rich. 

Carmen Mirabile 59:30
I 

Dan Bennett 59:30
would put Keith Moon there. 

Rich Bennett 59:32
Yes, you 

Dan Bennett 59:32
just as a showman. Because like he showed that a drummer can be like almost the front of the band, although everybody in the who was like the front, even John and lesser, just standing there and blazing while he's not moving a muscle. 

Who would I go with third? I don't know, maybe Joey Jordison just 

Brad Cox 59:49
that. 

Dan Bennett 59:49
somebody from 

Brad Cox 59:50
I was trying to think of 

Dan Bennett 59:51
but 

Brad Cox 59:51
it, 

Dan Bennett 59:51
somebody from the metal world. The guy from Slipknot, RIP. 

Brad Cox 59:53
He's incredible. 

Dan Bennett 59:54
And Miles Teller, the actor for the movie Whiplash because that's like the greatest drumming movie one of my favorite music movies period. 

Brad Cox 1:00:03
It's 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:04
a really good 

Dan Bennett 1:00:04
go watch it. It's on Netflix. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:05
What's it called whiplash? 

Dan Bennett 1:00:06
Whiplash. Go watch it as soon as you get home. It's amazing. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:09
It's a great movie about 

Dan Bennett 1:00:11
It's one of my favorite. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:12
ambition. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:14
Okay, 

Dan Bennett 1:00:14
it's about drumming 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:15
and ambition taken to extremes. 

Dan Bennett 1:00:18
J. K. Simmons plays a music conductor and he's basically just Arley Ermi. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:22
Sanna. 

Dan Bennett 1:00:24
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:26
yeah, Santa, 

Dan Bennett 1:00:26
But 

Rich Bennett 1:00:26
he did read one. 

Dan Bennett 1:00:27
He's basically Arley, Ermi and full metal jacket, throughout that movie, just 

Rich Bennett 1:00:31
I 

Dan Bennett 1:00:31
for 

Rich Bennett 1:00:31
had a 

Dan Bennett 1:00:32
music. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:32
skinny Santa. 

Dan Bennett 1:00:33
I was a chair at Miles Teller while he's trying to drum and goes over to him, slaps him in the face, and oh, it's great. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:39
All 

Dan Bennett 1:00:39
named. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:39
right. 

Dan Bennett 1:00:39
You'd 

Rich Bennett 1:00:39
Well, 

Dan Bennett 1:00:39
love 

Rich Bennett 1:00:39
you 

Dan Bennett 1:00:39
it. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:39
already 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:40
Well, I said, so I guess Keith Moons is a good one, he'd probably have to, but I'm going to throw one that going back to your underrated, your underrated comment Iron Maden's Nico McBrown. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:51
Wow. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:53
Nico McBrown is, 

Brad Cox 1:00:55
we 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:55
get 

Brad Cox 1:00:55
didn't 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:55
enough. He's, 

Brad Cox 1:00:56
you 

Dan Bennett 1:00:56
have to put their, 

Rich Bennett 1:00:57
eh, I know, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:00:57
I know 

Rich Bennett 1:00:59
one of my favorite songs and favorite videos run to the hills. 

Brad Cox 1:01:02
Yeah, that's 

Rich Bennett 1:01:03
class 

Brad Cox 1:01:03
a 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:04
but he is, 

Brad Cox 1:01:05
rhyme with me, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:05
he is technically 

Rich Bennett 1:01:08
All right, guitar players, Matt Rushmore, 

Dan Bennett 1:01:10
incredible. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:11
start viewed Dan. 

Dan Bennett 1:01:13
I love David Gilmore. So maybe I'll put him there. I also love Tommy Emanuel. So I might put him there. He's an acoustic guy who just blazes Jimmy Hendrix has to go there. Which, I mean, that encompasses so many guys right off the bat. And then less Paul. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:30
Mmm. 

Dan Bennett 1:01:31
I put forth. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:32
Okay. Carmen, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:33
I 

Dan Bennett 1:01:34
could really probably replace David Gilmore. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:35
Randy Rhodes. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:36
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:38
Yeah, Tony. I owe me. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:39
Oh, 

Dan Bennett 1:01:39
yeah, Tony. I'm he's good. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:41
No one writes, riff like Tony. I 

Rich Bennett 1:01:45
no, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:45
owe me, I mean, it all 

Dan Bennett 1:01:46
nobody's riff sound like his either because of his fingertips. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:01:50
David Gilmore. I'm with you on David Gilmore. 

Then I guess you got to go, Eddie. You got to go, Eddie. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:01
See, I definitely have to put Stevie Ray Vaughn on there without a doubt. Oh my 

Carmen Mirabile 1:02:07
His 

Rich Bennett 1:02:08
god. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:02:08
for Jimmy Page. All right, I'm taking Eddie away and I'm putting Jimmy 

Rich Bennett 1:02:11
I 

Carmen Mirabile 1:02:11
Page. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:12
was going to say you got to have Jimmy Page on there and Hendrix. 

Brad Cox 1:02:15
The damage is taking my list. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:16
But now I'm going country. 

Brad Cox 1:02:18
Oh, 

Dan Bennett 1:02:19
Roy. 

Brad Cox 1:02:19
okay, good. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:20
Yes. 

Dan Bennett 1:02:20
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:21
Either Roy Clark or Chad Ackons, either or but I would say definitely Roy Clark. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:02:25
Who? Roy Clark. Roy Clark was more banjo, wasn't 

Rich Bennett 1:02:28
it? No, no, that was, um, played the banjo. Roy Clark 

Carmen Mirabile 1:02:32
He's 

Rich Bennett 1:02:32
played the guitar. Roy Clark is 

Dan Bennett 1:02:34
of 

Rich Bennett 1:02:34
a hell 

Dan Bennett 1:02:35
a blazer 

Rich Bennett 1:02:35
player. Another great guitar player that a lot of people don't realize, um, but I think it's very good. Is Willie. 

Dan Bennett 1:02:43
Yeah. Well, he's a great songwriter too. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:45
Well, 

Dan Bennett 1:02:46
overshadows. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:46
All right. Since I stole most of yours, Brad, I'm sorry. Go ahead. 

Brad Cox 1:02:49
Yeah. 

It was Steve by Jimmy Page slash. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:56
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 1:02:57
Yeah. Those were right by four. I mean, he said some great ones. Last Paul. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:02
Mount Russmore. He's got to be bigger. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:05
There's a lot 

Brad Cox 1:03:05
have. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:05
that doesn't 

Brad Cox 1:03:06
Yeah. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:06
I mean, that's a tough one to narrow down 

Rich Bennett 1:03:08
It is. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:08
for the four. 

Brad Cox 1:03:10
Jummer's a little bit easier. Maybe 

Rich Bennett 1:03:11
I will make it even easier. Start viewed as 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:14
base 

Rich Bennett 1:03:14
time car 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:15
players. Base players. I'm going. He's a botler. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:19
Oh, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:21
I'm going, um, you got to go, John Paul Jones, because of what he meant to Zep. I mean, all the musical arrangements kind of started with John 

Rich Bennett 1:03:31
Him 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:31
Paul. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:31
and Jimmy. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:32
He does. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:32
THEY were doing st- 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:34
So geezer, john pull jones, I'm going just in chancellor from tool. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:39
ok. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:39
Again. To, I mean, technically tool is one of, is just an amazing band. And then a 4th basis. Uh, uh, jonna and twistle. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:51
Yeah, I would have to have jonna and twistle in there, definitely. Uh, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:03:55
um, 

Rich Bennett 1:03:57
I'd have to have flea on there. 

Brad Cox 1:03:58
Ah, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:01
bruh, 

Rich Bennett 1:04:01
bruh, bruh, you want me to just show 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:02
stealing 

Rich Bennett 1:04:02
up for that? 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:03
all this 

Rich Bennett 1:04:03
It's 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:03
stuff, it's like 

Rich Bennett 1:04:03
like 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:04
I 

Rich Bennett 1:04:04
I 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:04
keep 

Rich Bennett 1:04:04
keep 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:04
stealing. 

Dan Bennett 1:04:04
Sorry. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:05
Another one I would have to have one on there, um, ehm, a lot of people don't know him, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:13
stew him. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:14
He's 

Dan Bennett 1:04:15
like a virtue of so. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:16
Yeah, he's, uh, I saw him in concert with Joe Satrionis. Joe Satrionis surfing with the alien concert. I was more me, I was amazed by Joe Satrionis, but I was more amazed by stew him. He went, he went into his solo. I think he did Quayhaul, because anyone 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:33
there. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:35
man, I'm, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:35
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 1:04:35
I'll show it up now, Brad, because I don't want to see 

Brad Cox 1:04:37
going. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:37
what's 

Dan Bennett 1:04:38
Okay, 

I was going to say Victor Wooten, but instead of him, I'm going to go with Drake's, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:44
um, 

Dan Bennett 1:04:45
Larry Graham, yes, Drake, like the singer Drake. He's a NEPO, baby, his, his family ties go back, but Larry Graham is like one of the most 

Rich Bennett 1:04:53
influential ads I didn't know that 

Dan Bennett 1:04:54
bass players of all time, yeah, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:04:56
um, 

Dan Bennett 1:04:57
or you could eat like so many funk guys could 

Brad Cox 1:04:59
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 1:04:59
go 

Rich Bennett 1:04:59
Stanley. 

Dan Bennett 1:04:59
there. But we'll just go with Larry Graham as an all-in-com-- 

Rich Bennett 1:05:01
Yeah, Stanley Clark, right? 

Dan Bennett 1:05:03
Um, can anybody remind me the name of the guy who played with Steve Vy and David Lee Roth? 

Rich Bennett 1:05:09
Oh, Billy Sheehan? 

Dan Bennett 1:05:10
Billy Sheehan, he's really awesome. This is one spot where I could put a guy from Green Day, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:05:15
I don't know, that's Billy Gibbons. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:17
Billy Gibbons, 

Dan Bennett 1:05:18
yeah. But rather than Mike Dirt of Green Day, I would put Paul Semenen of the clash. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:22
Hmm, 

Dan Bennett 1:05:22
some of his bass lines are just money. Um, you said this should be easier. It's really not though. 

Brad Cox 1:05:29
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 1:05:29
And then less Claypool. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:31
Oh, 

Carmen Mirabile 1:05:32
primus. 

Dan Bennett 1:05:33
I love South Park 

Carmen Mirabile 1:05:33
much. 

Dan Bennett 1:05:33
too But also, but also the stuff he does on bass is just...irre-like, irreplaceable [laughs] craziness. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:42
What about Lenny? 

Dan Bennett 1:05:43
Primus sucks though. Um, Lenny's great too. His is less about technically sound, but he just turned the bass into the guitar 

Rich Bennett 1:05:51
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 1:05:51
like when he-- just with all the distortion and the noise. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:55
I just don't know how that man never had--he maybe he did, but how--I would have a stiff neck by the time I-- That--he was always singing up with his-- 

Dan Bennett 1:06:05
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:05
Ray's singing it to the microphone. 

Brad Cox 1:06:10
What 

Rich Bennett 1:06:10
you got for his Brad? 

Brad Cox 1:06:11
Uh, so Victor Wooten, uh, Flea, Billy Gold of Faith No More and 

Rich Bennett 1:06:15
Boll--Oh. 

Brad Cox 1:06:15
John 

Dan Bennett 1:06:17
Faith 

Rich Bennett 1:06:17
Oh. Oh. 

Dan Bennett 1:06:17
No More. It's 

Brad Cox 1:06:18
It 

Dan Bennett 1:06:18
awesome. 

Brad Cox 1:06:19
was really, really huge, huge influence on me. That was one of my songs in there was the real thing. 

Dan Bennett 1:06:23
If you're going singers next, Mike Patton could go 

Brad Cox 1:06:26
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 1:06:26
there. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:26
cool. 

Dan Bennett 1:06:27
Really 

Rich Bennett 1:06:27
Uh, no, singers, there's too many, 

Brad Cox 1:06:28
there's 

Dan Bennett 1:06:28
many. 

Brad Cox 1:06:28
just too 

Rich Bennett 1:06:29
Yeah, you can't--you can't--all right. Singers under 13. 

Brad Cox 1:06:35
Uh, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:35
no. When they started, 

Brad Cox 1:06:37
no, 

Dan Bennett 1:06:37
whoever's--whoever 

Rich Bennett 1:06:37
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 1:06:38
was last on Kid's Bop, I guess. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:39
because there--I could--there's only a few that started that young. 

Dan Bennett 1:06:42
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:43
Not singers. 

Brad Cox 1:06:44
Jackson? Michael 

Rich Bennett 1:06:46
when-- 

Brad Cox 1:06:46
Jackson? Well, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:46
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 1:06:47
Jackson. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:47
Michael 

Brad Cox 1:06:47
He started, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:48
Wayne Newton? 

Dan Bennett 1:06:50
God, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:50
Uh, 

Dan Bennett 1:06:50
he's-- name? 

Rich Bennett 1:06:51
uh, what's her 

Brad Cox 1:06:52
You might just start in your career at that age. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:54
The 

Dan Bennett 1:06:54
got 

Rich Bennett 1:06:54
country's 

Dan Bennett 1:06:54
no. Your 

Brad Cox 1:06:55
whole life's out 

Rich Bennett 1:06:56
It's 

Brad Cox 1:06:56
of you. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:56
certainly, "Patty Client," I thought, when she first started. Oh, my God. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:07:01
The church girl? What's her name? 

Rich Bennett 1:07:04
Leanne Rhine. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:07:05
Oh, man. Leanne Rhine. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:08
Guys, ain't nobody got anything. This was fun, man. 

Brad Cox 1:07:10
This was good. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:11
Yeah, we--see, I told you, 

Brad Cox 1:07:12
We 

Rich Bennett 1:07:12
da-- 

Brad Cox 1:07:12
could do 

Rich Bennett 1:07:12
There's 

Brad Cox 1:07:12
this. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:13
no way--I don't know why I wouldn't-- cuz there--I told Danny, I said there ain't no way we could each do four songs because it--that 

Dan Bennett 1:07:19
flew by, though. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:20
It did. 

Brad Cox 1:07:21
You should do like a music roundtable, like once a month, have music-land sponsor, music-land if you're listening. Just--we'll do it. 

Carmen Mirabile 1:07:30
I'm available. 

But you're

Brad Cox 1:07:34
not on Facebook. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:34
Dude, we want to do Wintertime, though? know. 

Brad Cox 1:07:37
I 

Rich Bennett 1:07:37
It's 

Brad Cox 1:07:37
don't 

Rich Bennett 1:07:37
cold, 

Brad Cox 1:07:38
come 

Rich Bennett 1:07:38
man. 

Brad Cox 1:07:38
on. It's not--it's not that bad. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:40
Well, 

I'm just going to call my eyeshead for now, and I think that's appropriate. Anyways, all of you listening, I want you to let us know what song has really made a difference for you. You heard some of the ones that we did and we didn't even get through them all. We each had four songs written down. We only mentioned two per each, which means we're gonna have to do more episodes. But I wanna hear what song really, you know, has meaning to you. And if you're looking to show notes, you'll see the link for the Spotify playlist that we added. And you can actually add your song to that as well. But let us know. We wanna hear from you. Thank you for listening to the conversations with Rich Bennett. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and learned something from it as I did. If you'd like to hear more conversations like this, be sure to subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode. And if you have a moment, I'd love it if you can leave a review. It helps us reach more listeners and share more incredible stories. Don't forget to connect with us on social media or visit our website at conversationswithrichpinit.com for updates, giveaways and more. Until next time, take care. Be kind and keep the conversations going. You know, it takes a lot to put a podcast together, together. And my sponsor's helped add a lot, but I also have some supporters that actually help me when it comes to the editing software, the hosting and so forth. There's a lot that goes into putting this together. So I want to thank them and if you can please, please visit their websites, visit their businesses, support them. However you And so please visit the following full circle boards, nobody does charcuterie, like full circle boards, visit them at full circle boards dot com. Cincerely, so your photography live in the moment. They'll capture it visit them at cincerlysoleure.com. The Jopitan Lions Club. Serve in the community since 1965 visit them at JopitanLinesClub. org and don't forget the e at the end of Jopitan because they're extraordinary.