Brad Cox & Dan Bennett on Music, Meaning, and Making Podcasts

Wendy & Rich 0:00
Hey, everyone is Rich Bennett. Can you believe it? The show is turning 10 this year. I am so grateful for each and every one of you who've tuned in, shared a episode, or even joined the conversation over the years. You're the reason that this podcast has grown into what it is today. Together, we've shared laughs, tears, and moments that truly matter. So I want to thank you for being part of this journey. Let's make the next 10 years even better. Coming to you from the Freedom Federal Credit Union Studios. Harford County Living presents Conversations with Rich Bennett. 

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Rich Bennett 1:00
yeah, I am joined today by somebody who has been on in a while. My son. 

Dan Bennett 1:04
questions are out of control. Oh 

Brad Cox 1:05
All right. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say my husband that 

Rich Bennett 1:08
No. 

Brad Cox 1:08
long. 

Rich Bennett 1:08
No. 

Brad Cox 1:09
and I'm not 

Rich Bennett 1:09
This 

Brad Cox 1:09
your 

Rich Bennett 1:09
is 

Brad Cox 1:09
son. So 

Rich Bennett 1:11
yeah, but you're young enough to be. Oh my God, I did not just say yeah. 

Brad Cox 1:15
I guess I could be, yeah. I could be your son too. Maybe what if I am your son? 

Dan Bennett 1:19
What if 

Brad Cox 1:20
this is the 

Rich Bennett 1:20
way the episode. Hey look. 

Dan Bennett 1:21
Oh. 

Rich Bennett 1:21
right, so wait. So I also 

Dan Bennett 1:23
Sorry. 

Rich Bennett 1:24
have, I 

Dan Bennett 1:24
All 

Rich Bennett 1:24
also have the man, the myth, the legend, the moge father rank. 

Brad Cox 1:29
thanks. Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 1:30
All 

Brad Cox 1:30
That's 

Rich Bennett 1:30
right. So 

Brad Cox 1:30
an 

Rich Bennett 1:30
I got 

Brad Cox 1:30
hell of an introduction. 

Rich Bennett 1:31
I got to ask you. So father. 

Brad Cox 1:33
I wouldn't like invite you onto your own. Sure. Like welcome to conversations. 

Rich Bennett 1:37
Yeah. Father's day. So 

Brad Cox 1:39
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:40
those of you listening were recording this June 20th, did your daughter get you an awesome hat like my daughter got me for those of you listening 

Brad Cox 1:46
my no she got me two records though, but that's awesome. 

Rich Bennett 1:49
Okay. 

Brad Cox 1:50
Awesome like my father. No, 

Rich Bennett 1:51
it says awesome like my daughter. 

Brad Cox 1:53
Oh, yeah, yeah, it does. 

Rich Bennett 1:56
I was like 

Dan Bennett 1:56
close enough. 

Rich Bennett 1:57
Oh. It 

Brad Cox 1:58
was crooked. I didn't quite 

Rich Bennett 2:00
Tell 

Brad Cox 2:00
see it. 

Rich Bennett 2:00
me what you got me. 

Dan Bennett 2:03
Oh, I got you a gift card and my girlfriend got you a book 

Rich Bennett 2:06
I still. 

Dan Bennett 2:07
about 

Rich Bennett 2:07
the book 

Dan Bennett 2:08
about Jim Jones. 

Brad Cox 2:09
Oh, yeah, yeah, the call. 

Dan Bennett 2:11
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 2:12
Yeah. Yeah. My first album's called Join the Colt. 

Dan Bennett 2:15
See, it all ties in. 

Brad Cox 2:17
It does. 

Rich Bennett 2:17
I look at it. It's like. 

Dan Bennett 2:18
"Called another good band." 

Rich Bennett 2:21
Well, 

Brad Cox 2:21
yeah. "Called is a great band." 

Rich Bennett 2:22
Yeah. But he thought I read. He thought I read true cry. I haven't read true cry. 

Brad Cox 2:26
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 2:27
I like to self-help 

Dan Bennett 2:27
and 

Rich Bennett 2:28
books Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 2:29
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 2:30
Like your books. That's when you wrote with the music. 

Brad Cox 2:33
Oh, yeah. The things that these things have said. 

Rich Bennett 2:35
Oh yeah. So what he did was include his... He wrote your first three books. I'll keep it to say Children of the Corn, Children of the Pro... 

Brad Cox 2:44
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 2:45
or Children in the Pro... Dammit. 

Brad Cox 2:47
Children of the program. 

Rich Bennett 2:48
Children of the program. 

Brad Cox 2:49
And 

Rich Bennett 2:49
then the last one he wrote was he was taking his song lyrics and put them on a book, which is 

Dan Bennett 2:56
really 

Rich Bennett 2:57
awesome. What's the new when you're working 

Brad Cox 2:58
on? I was working on a kind of a haunted book, like a like a hard kind of thing. All of my experiences. Some of the things we talked about on the last episode. 

Rich Bennett 3:07
Did you get encouragement from that? 

Brad Cox 3:09
No, I was going to do it and that I was kind of like, I really need to get this done, but 

Rich Bennett 3:14
you should. 

Brad Cox 3:14
It's just time, you know? 

Rich Bennett 3:16
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 3:17
Not on any of our side. 

Rich Bennett 3:19
Well, I mean, you got the full time job. 

Brad Cox 3:22
Uh-huh. 

Rich Bennett 3:23
You're running every day. 

Brad Cox 3:27
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 3:28
which is good because that means I don't have to work out because I get tired just seeing how 

Brad Cox 3:31
miles 

Rich Bennett 3:31
many I'm 

Brad Cox 3:33
chariously running through me. 

Rich Bennett 3:34
Plus, how many times are you recording the podcast now? 

Brad Cox 3:37
You know, I was doing it once a week. You know, and yeah, 

Rich Bennett 3:41
drop, we met recording once a week or dropping an episode once a week. 

Brad Cox 3:45
I would record it it 

Rich Bennett 3:46
and 

Brad Cox 3:46
and just that 

Rich Bennett 3:47
drop 

Brad Cox 3:47
would be like a six hour event. You know, 

Rich Bennett 3:49
okay, 

Brad Cox 3:50
but now with the live show rap records, I haven't been doing it as much because they take a lot of time. 

Rich Bennett 3:56
Oh, yeah. 

Brad Cox 3:57
So that editing's a nightmare. 

Rich Bennett 4:00
So, yeah, when you do it live, you have what three, 

Brad Cox 4:03
things. 

Rich Bennett 4:04
usually three different 

Brad Cox 4:04
Three guests. 

Rich Bennett 4:06
Yeah, do you break that down into three separate episodes? 

Brad Cox 4:09
No, it's 

Rich Bennett 4:10
like it's 

Brad Cox 4:10
one 

Rich Bennett 4:10
all one 

Brad Cox 4:10
episode. It's 

Rich Bennett 4:11
episode. Wow. 

Brad Cox 4:12
So it's like, they get interviewed for 15, 20 minutes, then they play 20 minutes. 

Rich Bennett 4:17
Okay. 

Brad Cox 4:17
And we've rinse and repeat three times. And by the end of it, you know, a lot of 

Rich Bennett 4:21
rinse and repeat. By 

Brad Cox 4:23
the end of it, you have a really, really long 

Rich Bennett 4:25
You're 

Brad Cox 4:25
episode. 

Rich Bennett 4:26
getting a good crowd there too. 

Brad Cox 4:27
It's not bad. Yeah. But we're also realizing like, okay, it's summertime. Because the moment you go out there and you don't have a good night, that's such a tune too. 

Rich Bennett 4:36
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 4:37
So we want to make sure that we're always going up. 

Rich Bennett 4:39
Yeah. And there's nothing wrong 

Brad Cox 4:42
Right. 

Rich Bennett 4:42
with taking a break. I mean, I've taken breaks from dropping episodes 

Brad Cox 4:47
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 4:47
before. 

Brad Cox 4:47
I know it takes a lot of work, man. 

Rich Bennett 4:51
especially well you know me I record a lot of virtual ones 

Brad Cox 4:56
yeah 

Rich Bennett 4:56
well yeah some of these virtual 

Brad Cox 4:57
sounds bad 

Rich Bennett 4:58
oh my god 

Brad Cox 5:00
have you used there is a software through Adobe it's it's an audio maybe it's an audio enhancer so if you get like a phone conversation back and you 

Rich Bennett 5:12
run yeah 

Brad Cox 5:12
you run a throw it it can clean it up pretty 

Rich Bennett 5:14
good I use there's a couple I don't use Adobe audition anymore I think 

Brad Cox 5:19
Henry 

Rich Bennett 5:20
Burd Pro I can do that descript because I use Squak ask which now descript 

Brad Cox 5:27
so 

Rich Bennett 5:28
I believe the script can do that and there's a couple all their different programs I know you you have no idea what we're talking about right now do you dad 

Dan Bennett 5:36
I'm listening 

Rich Bennett 5:38
but what I love about Hindenburg now Hindenburg is actually on my computer 

Brad Cox 5:45
yeah 

Rich Bennett 5:45
the script is online but what I love about them is when I edit it so it transcribes it automatically 

Brad Cox 5:51
so 

Rich Bennett 5:52
you can take out certain words and it'll take out like in the text 

Brad Cox 5:56
I 

Rich Bennett 5:57
can take out the words which means they'll also take that part of the recording 

Brad Cox 6:00
yeah oh really that's while 

Rich Bennett 6:02
it's also do video too 

Brad Cox 6:04
very cool 

Rich Bennett 6:05
yeah so I yeah I love using that and it helps with when I do the show 

Brad Cox 6:12
notes 

Rich Bennett 6:13
so there's those of you out there that are podcasting if you're not using AI use it I can upload like with chat GBT there's a you don't have to use this one but there's a podcast and prompt that you can use so I'll after I transcribe it I'll save it as a manuscript in TXT form uploaded into chat GPT it reads it and it'll create the show notes for me oh 

Brad Cox 6:42
wow 

Rich Bennett 6:43
oh yeah everything and it was it'll do the show notes and then afterwards I use opus clip for if I do the video like if we're cord virtually I'll upload it to opus clip opus clip will automatically take the video form and break it down at a different segments for tick-tock and all that and then I can upload one of those clips into chat GPT and ask you say you can't create me song whatever for tick-tock or for Facebook 

Brad Cox 7:15
wow 

Rich Bennett 7:15
oh yeah 

Brad Cox 7:16
the logic is getting crazy 

Rich Bennett 7:17
oh you know it's crazy oh I went 

Brad Cox 7:19
back and watch Terminator 2 

Rich Bennett 7:21
oh man 

Dan Bennett 7:21
good transition 

Brad Cox 7:22
yeah this is a movie that came out in 1991 we weren't actually actually using home computers I don't think at that point 956 maybe maybe even 93 but not the degree that artificial intelligence would have been a thing and it's so it's so prophetic 

Rich Bennett 7:38
yeah 

Brad Cox 7:38
do you remember like the the story was basically that like we launched our Nuke's at Russia knowing that they would 

Rich Bennett 7:47
it 

Brad Cox 7:47
launch that's what caused the like the collapse of the end of the world will be a popular 

Rich Bennett 7:51
oh yeah 

Brad Cox 7:52
yeah yeah yeah like aye I got it in there is like well we'll just have them destroy themselves but it's so like 

Rich Bennett 7:58
well you know how long AI has been around 

Brad Cox 8:00
well I mean predictive text has been around for a long time like forms of it since like the 1950s I believe but 

Dan Bennett 8:06
I'll 

Brad Cox 8:06
well 

Dan Bennett 8:06
even in a video 

Brad Cox 8:07
game 

Rich Bennett 8:08
well yeah but 

Brad Cox 8:09
that's like 2022 

Rich Bennett 8:12
yeah 

Brad Cox 8:12
that's only the past couple years 

Rich Bennett 8:14
in chatch ept's nine there are other one's like Google Gemini is awesome man copilot and other one 

Brad Cox 8:21
generative predictive text right generative protective 

Rich Bennett 8:25
yeah 

Brad Cox 8:26
no yeah I get 

Rich Bennett 8:27
a tongue 

Brad Cox 8:28
twister but 

Rich Bennett 8:28
I just like copilot love playing with because all and I did this from my co-host the photos that I had of that half of them Jennifer halfway we did a photoshoot one time 

Brad Cox 8:41
yeah 

Rich Bennett 8:42
so she took photos well I took those photos and uploaded them in the copilot turn us all into babies 

Brad Cox 8:49
what 

Rich Bennett 8:49
was the other one I did anime characters clay Misha it was wild they it doesn't it no time 

Brad Cox 8:56
yeah it 

Rich Bennett 8:57
it's yeah it's a trip all right so with your I'm gonna call you out on this now we were talking about before because I know I know there was an episode when we were talking about the trademark bullshit and everything 

Brad Cox 9:10
oh yeah trademark of the beast I have the t-shirts anybody wants to buy one to help pay for my old legal fees you 

Rich Bennett 9:17
trademark 

Brad Cox 9:17
trademark of the beast 

Rich Bennett 9:18
you said that yeah we won't be playing anymore and here it is a pretty short 

Brad Cox 9:24
I thought we were done for 

Rich Bennett 9:25
torture. Yeah. 

Brad Cox 9:25
sure yeah so I'd started 

Rich Bennett 9:27
myself 

Brad Cox 9:28
out acoustically or acoustic like a duo kind of thing and I was really enjoying doing that and then this opportunity to play the Never Early Fest came along and that was with like sponge and at the time I was supposed to be spin doctors that felt 

Rich Bennett 9:42
wow. 

Dan Bennett 9:43
think 

Brad Cox 9:43
I 

Dan Bennett 9:43
I heard 

Brad Cox 9:43
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 9:43
about this. 

Brad Cox 9:44
it was. Then it was deep blue something the pie tasters. So it was like all 90's 

Rich Bennett 9:48
groups right. 

Brad Cox 9:49
And I was a guy's like we're all still alive. We could do this and that they're all like yeah let's do it and then the two guys that usually fill in on base in base in guitar that neither of them could do it. So they're like crap. Now we got to form a band, you know. So we found our old base player from 2003 to 2007 he was like, get a mail, let's do it. It's like all right, we got a base player. And then this other guy who just happened to live in the neighborhood. Gary who's like I'll do it and yeah pulled it together. 

Rich Bennett 10:20
So in case you don't know, correct me if I'm wrong. 

Brad Cox 10:22
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 10:23
So schizo clips. So veteran Avenue. All of these things that Brad has done. We're really bands here. We're projects. 

Brad Cox 10:30
There were projects that became bands. Like sketch or club. So ended up it was five albums before the were 13. But from like six to 13 that was 

Dan Bennett 10:39
an 

Brad Cox 10:40
And we played hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of shows and it was just a You know 

Rich Bennett 10:45
era. 

Brad Cox 10:45
but they all start. We love the underground. There was two albums and then 

Rich Bennett 10:49
the third album 

Brad Cox 10:50
was with the band and we did that for 

Rich Bennett 10:51
about four 

Brad Cox 10:52
and a half years. 

Rich Bennett 10:53
And then 

Brad Cox 10:54
veteran avenue was just a project where I pulled all the different musicians from all those different bands into one spot. 

Rich Bennett 11:01
Which could there's 

Brad Cox 11:02
it. Yeah, I love that. I still play a lot of that music because it's the newest and then there was Nikki thunders, which was like this alter ego I created this this pop version of myself. And it was it was cool because if you ever like get right writers block 

Rich Bennett 11:16
two. Just 

Brad Cox 11:16
just create 

Rich Bennett 11:16
create 

Brad Cox 11:17
an alter ego. 

Dan Bennett 11:18
You 

Brad Cox 11:18
know and just write through that character. It's kind of weird. But you know, you just write 

Rich Bennett 11:23
Because 

Brad Cox 11:24
through that. 

Rich Bennett 11:24
I'm having problems right in my first book. Maybe that's what I need to do is creating an 

Brad Cox 11:27
alter. What are you going to write a book about? 

Rich Bennett 11:29
Alright. So you know great tomorrow. 

Brad Cox 11:32
And you got some good stories. 

Rich Bennett 11:34
Oh, well I thought about that but it's like nah. That's what I was going to do originally. Then it's like, well, let me write a book on podcast. So I started that. And then I stopped because like there's a lot of books out there on 

Brad Cox 11:47
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 11:47
podcast. 

Brad Cox 11:48
okay. 

Rich Bennett 11:49
And then I books in front of my put out one on hosting one on guessing being a guest on podcast. Read them. And it was it was different people that have either who's a podcast or being guest on podcast. 

Brad Cox 12:05
read two 

Rich Bennett 12:05
Then I had another lady on who who's through podcast. She wrote a book on how to be a guest on a podcast. So then he's like maybe that's what I should do just write like a guy book on different things like how to have to monetize your podcast. 

Brad Cox 12:22
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 12:22
You're one of the ones that 

Brad Cox 12:24
came out of the 

Rich Bennett 12:25
did. 

Brad Cox 12:25
gate. 

Rich Bennett 12:25
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 12:25
It 

Rich Bennett 12:25
You know. Or even what not to like podcast etiquette different. Like if you're recording virtually wear headphones. 

Brad Cox 12:37
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 12:37
Turn your speakers. 

Brad Cox 12:39
Right. 

Rich Bennett 12:39
Right. You create that echo. Even though there are platforms out there that will you could take the echo out. It doesn't take it. 

Brad Cox 12:49
It doesn't now. 

Rich Bennett 12:50
It does not take it out completely. There's nothing worse than when you're editing an episode. And I don't know if you when you edit if you got separate tracks. 

Brad Cox 12:59
Uh huh. 

Rich Bennett 12:59
Okay. I'm 

Brad Cox 13:00
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 13:00
the same way. But when I can hear all the people on one track should not have to. 

Brad Cox 13:08
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 13:08
From one micro. And it's because of the echo. 

Brad Cox 13:12
Yeah. And 

Rich Bennett 13:13
it's. 

Brad Cox 13:14
Yeah, it's frustrating. 

Rich Bennett 13:15
Oh, it's very frustrated. 

Brad Cox 13:17
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 13:18
But what do you do? 

Brad Cox 13:20
hindenburg has the noise reduction. The only thing I 

Rich Bennett 13:22
Yeah, it's 

Brad Cox 13:22
wish Hindenburg did have was a reverb or a chorus. Because every once in a while, I'll have an artist play just sitting there. Like if I had a acoustic right now. And it's just give them a little room noise. So it's not like dry as a bone. 

Rich Bennett 13:36
I would contend because keep in mind. Hindenburg was designed strictly for like news. 

Brad Cox 13:42
Yeah, podcasting 

Rich Bennett 13:42
Speak 

Brad Cox 13:42
news. 

Rich Bennett 13:43
glue. Yeah. Um, I would contact them about that. 

Brad Cox 13:47
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 13:48
You never know. They may put something. I just I did see another platform for music. So it's combining music and podcast. What the hell was it? Not script. Um. 

Oh, man, it's gonna bugle out of me. 

Anybody listen if you're a podcast or a musician and you know of software where you can edit and do it like what Brad said, um, let me know. It wasn't GarageBand. You have an Apple right? 

Brad Cox 14:23
No, 

Rich Bennett 14:24
no. 

No, maybe, it may have been GarageBand- have you used GarageBand before? 

Dan Bennett 14:27
Yeah, a little bit. 

Rich Bennett 14:28
Can you do that in GarageBand with music? 

Dan Bennett 14:30
I couldn't tell you because the only product I have is my 

Brad Cox 14:33
But, 

Dan Bennett 14:33
phone. 

Brad Cox 14:33
I mean, 

Dan Bennett 14:34
it 

Brad Cox 14:34
you, 

Dan Bennett 14:34
comes with GarageBand 

Brad Cox 14:34
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 14:35
on there, so you might even be able to do it on there. 

Rich Bennett 14:37
Oh, wow. 

Brad Cox 14:38
I mean, I could add the reverb to another program, but I just felt like if it was in Hindenburg, it would be nice. Like, noise reduction, equal, uh, 

Rich Bennett 14:44
right. 

Brad Cox 14:45
Ooh, chorus reverb. 

Rich Bennett 14:46
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 14:47
Yeah. 

The reverb would be nice to just have it. 

Dan Bennett 14:48
Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 14:48
When they're, there's like a plugin you could put in there. 

Brad Cox 14:51
I don't know. 

Rich Bennett 14:52
Third party plugin. 

Brad Cox 14:53
That'd be cool. 

Rich Bennett 14:54
That would be interesting. Damn, man, now we have to do some investigating. 

Brad Cox 14:59
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 14:59
Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 14:59
I have to do some more research. 

Brad Cox 15:01
It may be an upgrade that we get at some point, too. 

Dan Bennett 15:03
Hopefully, 

Rich Bennett 15:04
if they decided to switch over to some music. Oh, maybe that's what it was. Zoom, uh, not not Zoom, that they, uh, 

Brad Cox 15:13
processing. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 15:15
Zoom microphones and, uh, it may, maybe they had something. 

Brad Cox 15:19
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 15:19
In them or a road. 

Brad Cox 15:21
Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 15:22
One of them that may have been rude, actually. Well, they both make stuff for musicians and podcasts. 

Brad Cox 15:29
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 15:30
God, man, I'm gonna just, this is-- Oh, well. All right, so, Danny. 

Dan Bennett 15:36
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 15:37
You came up with this idea. 

Dan Bennett 15:40
Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 15:41
Explain what this idea was for a podcast, I'm sorry. 

Dan Bennett 15:44
The idea that I had kind of spawned from just a little clip I saw on the internet of Tom Morello from "Road Against The Machine." He said, "All music is political," and that statement by itself seems kind of goofy, and that's Tom Morello from "Road Against The Machine," saying that, who also is a political science major from Harvard. 

Rich Bennett 16:03
Okay. 

Dan Bennett 16:03
But then he explained it, and like, yeah, even pop songs by Justin Bieber, it's just there to make money for a record company and be happy and sell tickets and whatever. I'm like, yeah, I guess there is some sort of political meaning behind that, but like, 

Rich Bennett 16:16
big music industry, if you're not independent, like 

Dan Bennett 16:19
of 

Rich Bennett 16:19
Brad, 

Dan Bennett 16:19
course, 

Rich Bennett 16:19
yeah. 

Dan Bennett 16:20
But of course, not everybody wants to think about politics all the time, and again, that's Tom Morello speaking. Most people don't want to think that deeply about things, but people do love music, and all other sorts of art, and art, music, everything in general. Usually has an explicit meaning from the artist, but people interpret everything differently. Well, going back to Tom Morello, it's crazy to me, when people are like, "I'd like to rage against the machine until they got all political," like, "they're rage against the machine, they were 

Brad Cox 16:50
Punks 

Dan Bennett 16:50
always political." 

Brad Cox 16:51
always been put... 

Dan Bennett 16:52
Yes, like, "how did you not get that?" But some people might see a different meaning in Blitzkrieg Bop or London Calling than what Joe Strummer was actually writing or Anarchy in the UK. 

Rich Bennett 17:06
Music also, and even to an artist at times, the meaning changes over the years. 

Dan Bennett 17:11
It very much can, yeah. It's like 

Rich Bennett 17:12
with artwork, and even a book. I mean, yeah, "Fortune its son." "CCR." 

Dan Bennett 17:19
Oh, that's one of the most misunderstood songs 

Rich Bennett 17:21
Right! 

Dan Bennett 17:21
I've... 

Brad Cox 17:21
"Born 

Rich Bennett 17:22
Oh, 

Brad Cox 17:22
in the USA." 

Dan Bennett 17:23
Oh, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 17:25
I don't know, he's like born in East LA. 

No, but that's a good point, which so, all right. So I'll go around the table, Brad, what's one of the songs, a song that you grew up with that to you has changed over time? 

Brad Cox 17:48
It's changed. Oh, God. I don't know. I guess God save the queen would 

Rich Bennett 17:56
good... 

Brad Cox 17:56
be a Because at the time that that was written, England was in dire straits, and the pistols were pointing that out and they were looking for somebody to blame. But further down the line, John Lyden would turn around and say that, "No, I actually like the pageantry, and I'd like the queen," and I like everything about it. So, I don't know the meaning 

Rich Bennett 18:15
changes. Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 18:17
Behind 

Brad Cox 18:17
the writing the song in the first place, definitely changed. 

Rich Bennett 18:19
He named the two bands, and just in that phrase, there, I learned Sex Pistols and oh sorry, I didn't mean to give you the... Sex Pistols in dire straits! 

Dan Bennett 18:28
Oh, well, also, um... 

Rich Bennett 18:30
For 

Brad Cox 18:30
nothing, it's... 

Dan Bennett 18:31
image limited, right? That's John Lyden once 

Brad Cox 18:33
...public 

Dan Bennett 18:33
he 

Rich Bennett 18:33
it. 

Dan Bennett 18:34
stopped 

Rich Bennett 18:34
Oh, yeah, 

Dan Bennett 18:34
He 

Rich Bennett 18:34
that's right, yeah. 

Dan Bennett 18:36
started to... some people would say, "Go off the rails," or just, you know, change his views, however you perceive it. 

Brad Cox 18:41
I heard something the other day that was kinda funny, but he described him as a teddy bear and a porcupine body. 

Dan Bennett 18:46
[Laughter] 

Brad Cox 18:48
Because he's such a... he's such a brash blowhard. 

Dan Bennett 18:50
Mm-hmm. 

Brad Cox 18:51
Very opinionated, but at the same time, I don't know, you just kind of respect that level of honesty. If you had them on this show. 

Dan Bennett 19:04
what the fuck? 

Rich Bennett 19:09
Uh, What's a song for you that's meaning has changed? 

Dan Bennett 19:13
I think, um, a lot of the stuff that I listen to back in when I was 13 and 14 something like BYOB by system of it down. I knew back then. I know that, um... That's a political song, but 

Rich Bennett 19:24
Mhmm. 

Dan Bennett 19:24
my feelings at 14 were different than my feelings at 32. So it's the same words. I still know it's an anti-war protest song, but I think about it differently. 

Rich Bennett 19:33
For me, a lot of them was the song about girls like Christine, 

Dan Bennett 19:39
16, uh, 

Rich Bennett 19:39
all these other 

Dan Bennett 19:40
ones, 

Rich Bennett 19:41
time. 

Brad Cox 19:41
She's only...(laughs) 

Rich Bennett 19:42
Right, but I was.... 

Brad Cox 19:43
(laughs) 

Rich Bennett 19:44
like, 

Dan Bennett 19:44
It's 

Rich Bennett 19:44
oh man, cool. And now you got... 

Dan Bennett 19:46
When you're 17, it's cool. 

Rich Bennett 19:47
Right, I got older, like... 

Dan Bennett 19:50
Brow. 

Rich Bennett 19:50
What a freaking pervert, 

Dan Bennett 19:52
And then you 

Rich Bennett 19:53
man. 

Dan Bennett 19:53
realize they were like, in their 30s. Songs, too. 

Rich Bennett 19:57
Uh, no. 

Dan Bennett 19:58
Maybe late 20s, but still. 

Rich Bennett 20:00
Oh, they're, what, 70s up now. 

Dan Bennett 20:02
So 

Rich Bennett 20:03
that was back 

Dan Bennett 20:04
50 years ago. 

Rich Bennett 20:05
70s? 

Brad Cox 20:06
Yeah, I want to read just the lyrics a little now. 

Dan Bennett 20:09
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 20:09
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 

Dan Bennett 20:11
I mean, she's only 47... 

Brad Cox 20:15
(laughs) 

Rich Bennett 20:15
it? Yeah, I don't think 

Brad Cox 20:16
Don't have the same 

Rich Bennett 20:17
so. 

Brad Cox 20:17
vibe, doesn't Although the song "Edge of 17" is such a good 

Rich Bennett 20:21
song, 

Dan Bennett 20:22
"Edge 

Rich Bennett 20:23
of 17." 

Brad Cox 20:23
starts off 

Dan Bennett 20:24
It 

Brad Cox 20:24
like eye of the 

Rich Bennett 20:24
Oh, 

Brad Cox 20:25
tiger. 

Rich Bennett 20:25
"Steepy Nick", 

Dan Bennett 20:25
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 20:25
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 20:26
yeah. 

Brad Cox 20:26
yeah. It's 

Dan Bennett 20:27
yeah, 

Brad Cox 20:27
actually um... 

Dan Bennett 20:28
And that song's about John Lennon's assassination, I believe. Really? I think so. 

Brad Cox 20:33
I didn't know that. 

Rich Bennett 20:34
Really? 

Dan Bennett 20:34
I believe that's what "Steepy Nick" had it for. Whether she wrote it or not is... 

Rich Bennett 20:39
Well, 

Dan Bennett 20:39
I don't know if she really wrote songs. 

Rich Bennett 20:41
Look at, what's the one that her and Lindsay did together? 

Dan Bennett 20:44
Well, 

Rich Bennett 20:45
Fleetwood as Fleetwood Mac, 

Dan Bennett 20:47
okay, 

Rich Bennett 20:48
and then when they went through that rough time, they just were they really hated each other? 

Brad Cox 20:54
Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 20:54
stop. 

Dan Bennett 20:54
Don't 

Rich Bennett 20:55
You could... No, I don't think it was too... don't stop. I can't remember, but you could tell just later on watching that... 

Brad Cox 21:03
rumors 

Rich Bennett 21:03
The 

Brad Cox 21:03
record or that era? 

Rich Bennett 21:05
What was the rumors record? Or 

Brad Cox 21:06
I don't 

Rich Bennett 21:06
was 

Brad Cox 21:07
know. 

Rich Bennett 21:07
it Tusk? Oh my God. 

Dan Bennett 21:09
I think it would have been rumors because Tusk was before "Steepy Nick" wasn't 

Rich Bennett 21:12
it? Wasn't? Yeah. Tusk was after rumors, right? 

Brad Cox 21:14
I don't know. 

Dan Bennett 21:14
I thought Tusk was before. 

Rich Bennett 21:15
No... Oh, 

Dan Bennett 21:17
you were there. I wasn't. Sorry to remind. 

Brad Cox 21:20
Was I there? What was it on之前? 

Dan Bennett 21:26
I'm just trying to think of songs 

Rich Bennett 21:27
See, 

Dan Bennett 21:27
with... 

Rich Bennett 21:27
every time somebody says don't stop, I get journey in my head. 

Brad Cox 21:30
I get no doubt in my 

Dan Bennett 21:32
head. 

Rich Bennett 21:32
Oh damn. know. Yeah, Eric. Should whatever happen with them? 

Brad Cox 21:38
I don't 

Rich Bennett 21:38
Why did Gwen Stefani 

Dan Bennett 21:38
Why 

Rich Bennett 21:38
leave? 

Dan Bennett 21:39
did she? Oh, 

Rich Bennett 21:39
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 21:40
'cause she's Gwen Stefani. I don't know. 

Brad Cox 21:42
she probably didn't feel like she needed to be in a band anymore I guess. It's like Brett Michaels and Poison. It's like that. 

Dan Bennett 21:47
'Cause 

Rich Bennett 21:47
World 

Brad Cox 21:48
kind of wants if you're into Poison. 

Rich Bennett 21:50
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 21:51
But he's like... like... Pylos 

Rich Bennett 21:53
I'm 

Brad Cox 21:53
Burettos. 

Rich Bennett 21:54
Well, he wanted to do some country, too, didn't 

Brad Cox 21:56
he? He did. 

Rich Bennett 21:57
Mm. 

Dan Bennett 21:58
It's also that no doubt got bigger into like pop radio. When they started, they were going on tour with Sublime. Like, they 

Brad Cox 22:05
Right. 

Dan Bennett 22:05
were one of the first bands on Warped Tour. And then, here's 

Brad Cox 22:09
There's 

Dan Bennett 22:09
like, slow 

Brad Cox 22:09
Scott. 

Dan Bennett 22:09
ballads of theirs going on the radio. And they're like, "Well, you're a hot female lead singer in a band. You want to sing with ACON?" And now there's Gunner Henderson's "Walk up" music. 

Rich Bennett 22:20
See, the only thing I remember her doing if they're no doubt was... 

Dan Bennett 22:25
Hallibat girl? 

Rich Bennett 22:27
Yeah. Is that the one B-A-N-A-N-A-N? 

Dan Bennett 22:29
Yes. 

Brad Cox 22:29
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 22:30
Only when I remember. 

Brad Cox 22:31
So, I know how to spell that word. I'd have more ends in there. Yeah, and... 

Dan Bennett 22:38
It's like spelling 

Rich Bennett 22:39
Oh, it's gonna say "Thank God she wasn't told about Mississippi." 

Dan Bennett 22:43
message... 

Rich Bennett 22:44
I just love talking music. Songwriter. you're a songwriter. You've... 

Dan Bennett 22:51
Because 

Rich Bennett 22:51
Well, 

Dan Bennett 22:52
I've 

Rich Bennett 22:52
you've... 

Dan Bennett 22:52
written songs. They just happened made it to a record. 

Rich Bennett 22:54
But... Who to you? That... 

Who do you believe is a very underrated songwriter? 

Brad Cox 23:05
Underrated? Oh. I can only think of my overrated favorites. 

Dan Bennett 23:11
Huh. 

Rich Bennett 23:12
All right, go there first. Who do you think is the most overrated? Oh, 

Brad Cox 23:16
God. No, no. I just met like who's a great songwriter. Let me think about that for a second. 

Rich Bennett 23:23
All right, Dan. Who do you think is the most underrated songwriter? 

Dan Bennett 23:26
I would probably go with a lot of hip-hop artists in general. 

Rich Bennett 23:29
Okay. 

Dan Bennett 23:29
Because they're thought of as rappers before they're thought of as songwriters. And they're... 

Brad Cox 23:33
Let's do 

Rich Bennett 23:34
it. That's true. 

Right. 

Dan Bennett 23:44
Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. 

of underground guys like R. A. the rugged man has a verse. 

got a verse on a song called Uncommon Valor where he's basically rapping from the perspective of like this gungho Vietnam guy, while in Vietnam and then coming back as well and like his kids all messed up. It's very 

Brad Cox 24:24
He's 

Dan Bennett 24:24
powerful and harrowing to listen to and that's an underground rapper and like yeah it's a good rap but he's telling a crazy story on top of that. 

Rich Bennett 24:33
Wow 

Brad Cox 24:34
okay so I'm gonna go with um underrated first. I would say the glory of sons, I think rising. 

Dan Bennett 24:42
There's 

Brad Cox 24:42
nothing more, there's some bands that like because of the way Trestoral Radio does not really push new music. I think they got lost in the 2010s kind of and it's a shame because they're phenomenal songwriters. Glory, sons is more on the folk bluesy side, rise against his political you know and just 

Dan Bennett 25:01
great life 

Brad Cox 25:02
and great songwriting like that the lyrics that they 

Rich Bennett 25:06
just 

Brad Cox 25:06
fantastic and then nothing more the production is like next level. I and they can perform it live so while probably in studio a lot of its computers they still do out and play it so them for sure. Yeah 

Rich Bennett 25:20
I for me I'm going country but I do and there's a couple of of them but one comes of mine right away and a lot of people only remember him for the one song you wrote but I think he was very underrated and that's Chris Christofferson. 

Dan Bennett 25:34
Oh yeah 

Rich Bennett 25:35
because a lot of people only remember him for me and Bobby McGee. 

Brad Cox 25:38
Oh 

Dan Bennett 25:38
Yeah that are being part of the highway then, 

Rich Bennett 25:40
yeah. hell of the song right 

Dan Bennett 25:42
here. And an actor. 

Rich Bennett 25:43
Well 

Dan Bennett 25:44
Good 

Rich Bennett 25:44
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 25:44
actor. 

Rich Bennett 25:44
yeah, which there's a lot of so you're gonna like 

Dan Bennett 25:49
this. 

Rich Bennett 25:50
You know what a songplugger is? 

Brad Cox 25:53
No. 

Rich Bennett 25:54
All right. 

Brad Cox 25:54
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 25:55
but so 

Brad Cox 25:55
I guess 

Rich Bennett 25:55
a friend of mine Leah Adams she just she wrote a book called Love on Tour and she was up at WX 

Brad Cox 26:04
that happened. 

Rich Bennett 26:05
Well so there's a lot of backstory to this so she she works for Broken Boac Records as and leave I get this wrong. I'm sorry I think the vice president of promotions. So she like works with Jason Audiene, Laney Wilson? 

Dan Bennett 26:28
I 

Rich Bennett 26:29
think Dustin Lynch, a couple other ones. And the book was what she has experienced throughout her career from starting a radio to now. 

Brad Cox 26:40
And 

Rich Bennett 26:40
took, and she 

Brad Cox 26:41
she 

Rich Bennett 26:41
just 

Brad Cox 26:41
just 

Rich Bennett 26:41
took all these different positions that were wrote a book about it but it's not like a romance novel. A songplugger which I didn't know was a thing is they are the ones god who I get this right. They take the music that is submitted to them from songwriters and 

plug it to different artists. That's what songplugger does. Yeah, that's right because of the record promoters and when it's always in touch of the radio stations. Hey can you play this song? Well I had no idea there was such a thing as a songplugger. 

Brad Cox 27:16
A songplugger? 

Dan Bennett 27:17
Basically a middle man between the songwriter and the artist is my understand. 

Rich Bennett 27:20
Yeah because like 

Dan Bennett 27:21
Yeah I then 

Rich Bennett 27:22
she's 

Dan Bennett 27:22
once you find the right combo it's just like 

Rich Bennett 27:24
right. 

Dan Bennett 27:25
that. Then you got your album John and 

Rich Bennett 27:26
Because a lot of these 

Dan Bennett 27:26
with the top 

Rich Bennett 27:26
country 

Brad Cox 27:27
up. 

Rich Bennett 27:27
artists don't record their own songs that they write. 

Dan Bennett 27:29
George straight had like one song. 

Rich Bennett 27:31
That's what she said. Yeah. 

Brad Cox 27:34
Gain any enjoyment from like to me, maybe you'd be like covering somebody else's song. Like if I'm not writing the song, I don't want to perform it. That's why I don't do the cover thing really, not that I have anything against 

Rich Bennett 27:44
the 

Brad Cox 27:45
cover thing but I only have so many free hours. I could either go out there and promote other bands essentially 

Rich Bennett 27:50
people 

Brad Cox 27:50
to 

Rich Bennett 27:51
like 

Brad Cox 27:51
those bands. So if somebody came up to me and they were like, hey man, I'd like you to record this song. I'd say now. 

Rich Bennett 27:59
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 28:00
Especially if the label came to me like Dolly Parton wrote this song like they did Angel for Aris Smith. No, 

Rich Bennett 28:06
huh? 

Brad Cox 28:07
Yeah, that song Angel. I believe that was Dolly Parton. 

Rich Bennett 28:08
Really? I didn't do that. 

Dan Bennett 28:09
I don't think I 

Brad Cox 28:10
But 

Dan Bennett 28:10
know. 

Brad Cox 28:10
I would totally, I'd be like, no, we'll write our own song. 

Rich Bennett 28:13
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 28:14
How many songs did Willie Nelson write and give to Patsy Klein and whoever else? 

Rich Bennett 28:17
Oh, a lot of fun. 

Dan Bennett 28:18
Finally decided to make his own album. There's maybe some sort of confidence thing. 

Rich Bennett 28:22
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 28:22
There associated too because I'm not I'm not comfortable enough to go perform the songs I've written. 

Brad Cox 28:44
He was funny actually speaking of that we, we, what 

Rich Bennett 28:47
up what of me not being able to, 

Brad Cox 28:49
yes, 

Rich Bennett 28:50
yes, yes, 

Brad Cox 28:51
it was like 

Rich Bennett 28:52
out. 

Brad Cox 28:52
really 

Rich Bennett 28:52
Really hot 

Brad Cox 28:53
hot 

Rich Bennett 28:53
out. 

Brad Cox 28:53
Really nice out. So we're like, let's go up on the hill. We'll set up the tripod and record a couple songs acoustically and then post them. 

Rich Bennett 29:00
There's like 100 freaking degrees. 

Brad Cox 29:02
Well, that was part of the problem. Well, we get up there and it's more winning than you thought. So like the, the files, and, uh, but at one point, like, about a minute half into a song and just the sky opens up, like, shit. You know, and then we're like running down the hill with the acoustic and people are probably wondering what the hell we're doing up there anyway. 

Dan Bennett 29:21
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 29:22
You know what, I mean, that's pretty cool because the effects you get for recording house. Yeah. That's one of the 

Brad Cox 29:28
But that's the thing with the, 

Rich Bennett 29:30
things. 

Brad Cox 29:31
the reverb or whatever, like 

Rich Bennett 29:32
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 29:32
a little room noise would be nice because when you're out there, it's drier than it would be in here. 

Rich Bennett 29:37
right. 

Brad Cox 29:37
So you better be damn close to one or one. 

Rich Bennett 29:40
The things I always love to be at the Beatles. Yeah. When they started going to different countries and just taking into different songs styles, I think that's when their songwriting got even better. 

Brad Cox 29:49
No, for But they were writing their songs. 

Rich Bennett 29:52
Well, yeah, but look how many other artists had did that they wrote for. 

Brad Cox 29:57
Right. 

Rich Bennett 29:57
You know, like Bayard Finger. 

Brad Cox 29:59
I'll write songs for people. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:00
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 30:01
Matter of fact, I come in. 

Dan Bennett 30:02
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 30:02
I do vocal work for various groups, like my body had an EP's, like, can you write lyrics and vocal melodies to those? I'm like, yeah, I'm about to finish it now with a guy. This guy Christopher Mooney, him same thing. It's like I'm just writing the lyrics and the vocal melodies and going in and vocals to this great music. 

Rich Bennett 30:19
yeah, 

Brad Cox 30:19
He's just not, he don't see himself as a singer or a lyricist. So 

Rich Bennett 30:23
Chris. 

Brad Cox 30:23
Chris Mooney. Yeah. I don't think he really sees himself that way. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, he's, he's had these songs since he's like someone really 20. Yeah. And he's like, I just, now and he did, he did one complete. The neighborhood for his girlfriend. But I don't think he likes doing that part of it. But he's a phenomenal musician. 

Rich Bennett 30:44
Oh, I know. 

Brad Cox 30:45
So 

Rich Bennett 30:46
remember talking to him. I think he was still in high school because his mother Trish, right? 

Brad Cox 30:51
I 

Rich Bennett 30:52
Contacted me and or maybe it wasn't on the podcast. I it made him want me to promote. He made, did he release that? That's all? 

Brad Cox 31:02
Yeah, I did. Something 

Rich Bennett 31:03
Okay. 

Brad Cox 31:04
about eyes. It's got like a picture of a green eye and 

Rich Bennett 31:08
So it may've been something like that. But I listened to him. He's like, damn, this kid's pretty damn good. 

Brad Cox 31:13
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:14
And he doesn't think he is. 

Brad Cox 31:15
I don't think he sees himself as a front 

Rich Bennett 31:18
man. 

Brad Cox 31:19
You know, I don't think he likes his voice that much. He'll go out and play and do some covers of the other but I don't think he wants to be like the guy. 

Rich Bennett 31:27
But 

Brad Cox 31:28
that's great because I like doing. 

Rich Bennett 31:30
No, is he back here? Is he, okay, because was he living the Nashville for 

Brad Cox 31:35
while? Yeah. Chris Mooney, 

Rich Bennett 31:37
a 

Brad Cox 31:37
yeah. No. We might be thinking about, you might be thinking about somebody else. 

Rich Bennett 31:41
I thought he, 

Dan Bennett 31:42
I

Rich Bennett 31:42
thought maybe went off to college somewhere. 

Brad Cox 31:45
I mean, he's like he's like in his 40s. I wouldn't know that. 

Rich Bennett 31:48
Oh no, that ain't him. You're right. I'm thinking of somebody else then. 

Brad Cox 31:51
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 31:52
Morning. God. I can't remember. We ever talked to um, oh my god. Now I'm gonna forget her name too. And she was on and that's just got a country group and they come up here once in a while. July moon. Oh god. I can't, I can't remember her name. You're listening to the conversations with Rich Bennett. We'll be right back. 

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Dan Bennett 33:55
I think he went to Calvert Hall with Jack. I know he went to the music workshop too, 

Rich Bennett 34:00
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 34:00
but- 

Rich Bennett 34:01
'cause he was doing well for a while, and then I haven't seen 

Dan Bennett 34:05
It's 

Rich Bennett 34:05
any- 

Dan Bennett 34:05
quite a few from Perry Hall that have also gone out to do some pretty big music things. 

Rich Bennett 34:09
Who? 

Dan Bennett 34:10
Uh, one girl that I graduated with, I don't know if she was still in Perry Hall when I graduated. Her name was Page. She went on the voice or something. Could really like belt lady Gaga style, and I think she might have even made it kind of far in that competition. There's another guy who- His name is Torek. He goes by the stage name Infinity Knives. He is teamed up with a guy named Brian Ennels, and they put out like this experimental, really abrasive hip hop kind of music. 

Rich Bennett 34:45
Interesting. 

Dan Bennett 34:45
And that's an album that they put out two months ago. They've been on tour with kneecap and some other pretty profound indie groups experimental hip hop, whatever you want to call it, young people music. Um, well, turned style didn't go to Perry Hall high school 

Brad Cox 35:05
know. 

Dan Bennett 35:05
as far as I 

Brad Cox 35:06
Turns out it's very interesting. 

Dan Bennett 35:07
They've got the world on fire right now. 

Brad Cox 35:09
They do 

Dan Bennett 35:09
any, um, they are a Baltimore based hard core band, at least that's their roots. And they like, I think 

Brad Cox 35:18
not really 

Dan Bennett 35:19
three, three members, maybe of the band now used to be in a band called trapped under ice. That was like explicitly hard core playing at the small venues in 

Rich Bennett 35:27
city 

Dan Bennett 35:27
the 

Rich Bennett 35:28
center. 

Dan Bennett 35:28
That he art space and sidebar and auto bar, which is still around. And now as turn style, they started out with like a more roots hard core type of sound, just loud guitars and screaming and whatnot. With occasional passages of things that are a little more melodic and musical. And now they've almost like invented their whole other genre that people are calling dream core. Or uh... 

Brad Cox 35:55
So basically you got like these two and a half three minute songs that are kind of like a regular 

Dan Bennett 35:59
like 

Brad Cox 35:59
song, but then you can download it into this EDM thing for like two or three minutes. It's like kind of spacey and and ethereal. You could see like drinking a case of beer and eating mushrooms. 

Rich Bennett 36:14
Wow, 

Dan Bennett 36:15
and they, yeah, they're from Baltimore. I think they used to go by Baltimore NDC. Now they just claim Baltimore. They a month ago put on a free show at Wyman Park Dull and got 10,000 

Rich Bennett 36:26
people. Wow, 

Brad Cox 36:27
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 36:27
no 

Brad Cox 36:28
it was 

Dan Bennett 36:28
securities. People were just running up and diving 

Rich Bennett 36:31
on the 

Dan Bennett 36:31
stage. They had, 

Brad Cox 36:33
I wonder if they got fined for that. 

Dan Bennett 36:34
probably maybe. They've got the money. They toured with Bunkin 82. I think they provided water to everybody. They were raising money for the homeless as they put this free 

Rich Bennett 36:44
Oh, 

Dan Bennett 36:44
show on. Yeah, they rented port of pots too. 

Brad Cox 36:48
Okay, so there was some organization. 

Dan Bennett 36:50
Oh, yeah. Like they organize it. Very DIY. So that's still hard core in its own sense to do something that DIY, get that many people out. But because there's that many 

Rich Bennett 36:59
they thought. 

Dan Bennett 37:00
because When people call them hardcore now, it's like, come on. Some people take it to heart and other people who just appreciate all genres of good. 

Brad Cox 37:14
Catch you songs. 

Rich Bennett 37:15
So how come you haven't had a morning on your show? 

Brad Cox 37:18
I wouldn't even know who the contact 

Dan Bennett 37:19
because they're on tour with 

Brad Cox 37:20
At 

Dan Bennett 37:20
Blank. 

Brad Cox 37:20
this point, they probably have a publicist and you got to find that person. I've been getting like 

Rich Bennett 37:24
more local. Is that right? 

Brad Cox 37:27
What's that? 

Rich Bennett 37:28
More you could get what you get a lot of the local music. 

Brad Cox 37:30
Well, yeah, but like I have this this publicist that's got me some some pretty cool acts. She represents solo silent. I just had fishbone on Um the Dalai rods bad Mary just some some of that indie scene stuff and um, yeah, it's so she'll just send me An email everyone's well. Hey, I got this band. I got a new record dropping. Would you like to have them on the show? I'm like it's fishbone. Yes 

course I want to have fishbone on. It's funny though. 

Rich Bennett 37:57
Of 

Brad Cox 37:58
Popularity does not dictate streams at all. You can 

Rich Bennett 38:02
somebody 

Brad Cox 38:02
have To think oh man, this is gonna be this is the episode. 

Rich Bennett 38:06
Yeah 

Brad Cox 38:07
they do worse by like a lot than the guy that like lives right up the block. 

Rich Bennett 38:12
Like 

Brad Cox 38:12
Nobody really knows 

Dan Bennett 38:13
well 

Brad Cox 38:13
that 

Rich Bennett 38:14
It 

Brad Cox 38:15
doesn't make any sense 

Rich Bennett 38:16
Oh no, it makes perfect 

Brad Cox 38:17
Maybe 

Rich Bennett 38:17
sense. You think about it 

Brad Cox 38:18
that's 

Rich Bennett 38:18
because 

Brad Cox 38:18
okay. 

Rich Bennett 38:20
think if they get like top celebrities 

Brad Cox 38:22
People 

Rich Bennett 38:22
on their podcast that their podcast is gonna take off I found and I found the same way. It's the people that you talked to that a lot of 

Brad Cox 38:32
Yeah 

Rich Bennett 38:32
people don't know have a good 

Dan Bennett 38:33
But 

Rich Bennett 38:34
message. Those are the podcasts that take off The thing is with a lot of your celebrities It's 

Brad Cox 38:40
like what they don't push it 

Rich Bennett 38:41
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 38:42
either 

Rich Bennett 38:42
right or the truth, but it's also on repeat. It's like they constantly talk about the same thing each show 

Brad Cox 38:49
On 

Rich Bennett 38:50
that's why when I mean, I've had actors on 

Brad Cox 38:52
or won't talk about the same 

Rich Bennett 38:53
right? Yeah 

Dan Bennett 38:54
Is 

Rich Bennett 38:55
on to talk about a movie that Right Yeah, what's all about the movie briefly But then I I want to dive in further and talk like why 

Brad Cox 39:06
doing 

Rich Bennett 39:06
why 

Brad Cox 39:07
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 39:07
acting why you're 

Brad Cox 39:08
yeah, they don't want to do that 

Rich Bennett 39:09
Oh, no, they'll they do it. Okay They do it. The 

Brad Cox 39:13
are you talking about the famous people like see Alright 

Rich Bennett 39:17
the most 

Brad Cox 39:18
or you talk about more of the locals like yeah 

Rich Bennett 39:20
No, not even local. I mean the one. I've had two local actors on if I Connor Perkins on who now he came in recording person. He's on Chicago mid okay 

Brad Cox 39:31
and 

Rich Bennett 39:31
Ben gets who? 

Brad Cox 39:35
I get Ben 

Rich Bennett 39:36
get Ben gets just just 

Brad Cox 39:38
movie 

Rich Bennett 39:38
did the 

Brad Cox 39:38
lunchtime. I'm just 

Rich Bennett 39:40
Just did the movie um, actually gothic slayers. That was recorded They they filmed it at uh, Churchill 

Brad Cox 39:49
I 

Rich Bennett 39:49
golf 

Brad Cox 39:49
heard about this 

Rich Bennett 39:50
course. Yeah, and they yeah he kept that here from New York because they were 

Dan Bennett 39:53
having the

Rich Bennett 39:54
The premiere at the state theater 

Brad Cox 39:57
Okay, 

Rich Bennett 39:58
so that's the two local ones national wise. I've had 

Brad Cox 40:07
But now I'm 

Rich Bennett 40:07
blank now. Well, I had the one you talk the um that played up to the college lamb chop Yes Yeah, I had heard. Yeah, 

Brad Cox 40:15
her She was a character man. 

Rich Bennett 40:17
Yes, 

Brad Cox 40:18
she is. Yes, she was fun. 

Rich Bennett 40:19
She is. I had her on um, okay 

And but I think you know a lot of people remember cherry lowest. I'll be one of the ones that did very well The lady was in WWE. She's been on twice But we really didn't talk about her wrestling career. We talked about what she's doing now and 

Dan Bennett 40:41
she 

Brad Cox 40:42
Things 

Rich Bennett 40:43
but now she A medium 

Brad Cox 40:45
about 

Rich Bennett 40:45
and 

Brad Cox 40:45
well. 

Rich Bennett 40:45
we talked 

Brad Cox 40:46
All right, 

Rich Bennett 40:47
that was uh, Joy Jiwai That was one that was listened to a lot But yet I tell you the ones that most people listen to the ones I when I talk to somebody it's in recovery Or about mental health 

Brad Cox 41:02
that makes sense. 

Rich Bennett 41:02
Yeah because The 

Brad Cox 41:05
people look for 

Rich Bennett 41:05
answers. They're 

Brad Cox 41:06
exactly through all their people Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 41:08
so yeah, podcasting. It's it's weird man. 

Brad Cox 41:12
It is weird 

Rich Bennett 41:13
Because now with you you have a particular niche So that's I'm all 

Brad Cox 41:19
Me, 

Rich Bennett 41:19
over the place. 

Dan Bennett 41:20
That's For 

Rich Bennett 41:21
me, I should rename the podcast. Hey, look a squirrel 

Dan Bennett 41:24
I 

Rich Bennett 41:25
mean, seriously 

Dan Bennett 41:26
We're 

Rich Bennett 41:27
talking about music today. 

Brad Cox 41:28
Right. 

Rich Bennett 41:29
Yeah, I had somebody going on that to long. We were talking about 

Dan Bennett 41:32
seconds 

Brad Cox 41:33
Nice 

Rich Bennett 41:33
yeah, yeah, I mean Open 

Brad Cox 41:35
in the 

Rich Bennett 41:36
mind. It's all over the place of the 

Dan Bennett 41:37
I 

Rich Bennett 41:37
people 

Dan Bennett 41:38
Because 

Rich Bennett 41:39
I want to learn yesterday we recorded an episode on brainstorming in a mastermind 

Brad Cox 41:43
group Do you listen to podcasts? I'm sure you do have you ever listened to Club random with Bill Lara 

Rich Bennett 41:50
You know what 

Dan Bennett 41:51
I've seen clips from 

Rich Bennett 41:51
the funny thing is I hated him But then when he started this podcast and he doesn't 

Brad Cox 41:59
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 42:00
cuz before he was just leaning one way Nads like he split 

Brad Cox 42:05
He's very centrist at this point Yeah 

Rich Bennett 42:08
Yeah, because I 

Brad Cox 42:10
think he represents what a lot of us were thinking. 

Rich Bennett 42:12
Yeah, it's 

Brad Cox 42:12
you know, but he's 

Rich Bennett 42:14
good, 

Brad Cox 42:14
he had a whole episode on like psychedelics and like how they opened the mind up and this and the other and I'll say, hmm, I've never considered doing them, but now I am. 

Rich Bennett 42:31
I've talked to and we talk about meditation. 

Brad Cox 42:36
Uh-huh. 

Rich Bennett 42:37
And I've never even thought about doing this, but now I want to do it. I want to put a meditation guard in my yard, this is 

Brad Cox 42:42
life. 

Rich Bennett 42:42
my 

Brad Cox 42:44
Just go out 

Rich Bennett 42:46
there and yeah, just to relax, you know, when nobody's at their mill, I 

Brad Cox 42:50
it makes sense, I mean, we all are, you know, so inundated with so much like stuff, how do even 

Dan Bennett 42:57
think 

Brad Cox 42:57
if you didn't have anxiety, you're going to get anxiety. but 

Rich Bennett 43:00
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 43:00
I have, I think we all have anxiety on some 

Rich Bennett 43:02
yeah, 

Brad Cox 43:02
level, so being mindful and slowing down would be good. 

Rich Bennett 43:07
We're gonna put you on a spot since Brandon and I are both podcasters. 

Dan Bennett 43:11
Good. 

Rich Bennett 43:12
You say ours, three podcast you listen to. 

Dan Bennett 43:17
Um, 

Rich Bennett 43:17
you listen to podcast. 

Dan Bennett 43:18
Not that often one that I will listen to on occasion is Jim Cornett. Just because hearing him talk about wrestling is, 

Rich Bennett 43:26
forgot about his podcast 

Dan Bennett 43:27
really easy in the morning as I'm on my way to work. 

Rich Bennett 43:29
I would 

Brad Cox 43:30
never 

Rich Bennett 43:30
have thought I would hear somebody say Jim Cornett's easy to listen to. 

Brad Cox 43:35
I was just going to say, um, I don't listen to a lot of podcast. I listen to the Bill Mar podcast, but I also listen to this fucking guy, the podcast. It's hilarious. 

Dan Bennett 43:43
Here's that guy 

Brad Cox 43:44
it's these two girls, the basic 

Dan Bennett 43:46
uh 

Brad Cox 43:46
pick us, somebody like Pete Higgs. 

Rich Bennett 43:49
Okay, 

Brad Cox 43:49
and then they just get into his whole backstory. Why is such a 

Dan Bennett 43:52
oh, 

Rich Bennett 43:52
There's 

Dan Bennett 43:53
yeah. one similar to that. 

Rich Bennett 43:55
Not just fucking 

Dan Bennett 43:56
guy, but it's, uh, I can't remember what it's called, but they did like a four part one on RFK, Junior and really just about the whole Kennedy family and how. 

Rich Bennett 44:06
Wow, 

Dan Bennett 44:06
just crazy. They all are. Yeah, that was, 

Brad Cox 44:09
that's what an explosive tag on this 

Dan Bennett 44:11
behind the bastard, 

Rich Bennett 44:12
one. 

Dan Bennett 44:12
I 

Rich Bennett 44:12
It's 

Dan Bennett 44:12
think is what 

Rich Bennett 44:12
on 

Dan Bennett 44:13
it's 

Rich Bennett 44:13
all my called foods. 

Brad Cox 44:13
Okay, 

Dan Bennett 44:14
Yeah, I think I think it's called 

Rich Bennett 44:15
a whole podcast. 

Dan Bennett 44:16
behind the bastard. I've listened to a couple of those. Um, Stephanie listens to one called morbid. That's a true crime one. It's two girls and they're kind of funny. 

Brad Cox 44:26
Um, yeah. 

Dan Bennett 44:27
And yeah, I mean, I look more for a topic than a specific podcast or themselves. I used to listen to Bears 1 cave, the Tom Sagar in Berk, Rysher One, but. 

Brad Cox 44:36
Two Bears 1 cave. 

Dan Bennett 44:37
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 44:38
Okay. 

Dan Bennett 44:39
Um, they're, they're two standup comedians. They've started to wear out their welcome for me, though. I haven't listened to them in a while. No offense to them, but their millionaires, they don't care. Unless they are listening and they do care. 

Brad Cox 44:49
keep. 

Dan Bennett 44:49
I hope you 

Brad Cox 44:50
Let's tag him in. 

Dan Bennett 44:54
yeah, I don't know. Like if I, if there's a specific topic that I'm thinking of, like I've got a union brother who is very into both Civil War history, and especially Irish Civil War history. 

Rich Bennett 45:05
Oh, 

Dan Bennett 45:06
So I asked him about like, Hey, which Irish bass podcast would you recommend? And I think one of them was behind the bastard. And then he recommended a couple others. 

Rich Bennett 45:15
Yeah, I 

Dan Bennett 45:16
got my fix around St Patrick's Day. 

Rich Bennett 45:18
I'm the same way I listen to a lot of different ones because I On the topic, 

Dan Bennett 45:23
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 45:24
but 

Dan Bennett 45:24
but 

Rich Bennett 45:24
there are ones I listened to faithfully without naming Brad's or 

Dan Bennett 45:28
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 45:28
mine. Um podcast and made simple, which is from one of my mentors, which is about. Sure. Um, two young ladies I had on before. I'm so proud of them. Two girls of cancer. Well, let me rephrase this. Okay. It was originally called two girls of cancer, both from Canada, both. You know, with cancer and they started recording a podcast. I talked to them. I think I was probably almost a year ago, because they were taking a little break. And they were talking about rebranding. And I, you know, they were asked me for ideas. I gave them the one ideas and now it's called two girls without. 

Dan Bennett 46:13
It's 

Rich Bennett 46:13
awesome. That's like. Oh, yeah, 

Dan Bennett 46:18
man. 

Brad Cox 46:18
That is awesome. 

Rich Bennett 46:19
I'll listen. And if you haven't been on his podcast, I'm going to his. I'm going to. You better get his ass on TMA connection to Marklin. 

Brad Cox 46:28
I never heard 

Rich Bennett 46:30
No. 

Brad Cox 46:30
of it. No, let's. 

Rich Bennett 46:31
I tell you. I'm calling you out. Gip. Gip, he's local. 

Brad Cox 46:35
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 46:36
Talk to a lot of local people. 

Brad Cox 46:37
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 46:38
He said. So funny story. You heard the story. And I 

Brad Cox 46:43
think I do the name. That's what it's like bugging me. 

Rich Bennett 46:45
Yeah. So when. When I remember, I think I told you this. When I first started this, it was a video show. And we recorded at the radio station. 

Brad Cox 46:53
The 

Rich Bennett 46:54
guy said the camera wasn't working. So, that's how I always have a face for radio. Well, Tim had me on his podcast and he video tapes too. 

Brad Cox 47:03
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 47:04
So, he contacted me when it was about the 

Dan Bennett 47:07
releases. 

Rich Bennett 47:07
You said you ain't gonna believe this. I said what did the camera break? You said no, but 

Dan Bennett 47:13
the 

Rich Bennett 47:14
memory card for the video. 

Brad Cox 47:16
Oh my 

Rich Bennett 47:17
I'm like, are you serious? He's like, I said, I told you 

Dan Bennett 47:20
god. 

Rich Bennett 47:20
man. So he's able to release the audio, but not the video. Actually, I want to get him on and when he comes on, I want you on too. 

Brad Cox 47:30
Okay. Okay, 

Rich Bennett 47:31
podcast. 

Brad Cox 47:31
I was going to look him up, but yeah, Tim Marklin. 

Rich Bennett 47:34
Tim Marklin. 

Brad Cox 47:35
Hmm. Maybe if I saw his face, again, not good. 

Rich Bennett 47:37
He cords and bell air, eh, is, um, he's a realtor. 

Brad Cox 47:41
Okay. Tim Marklin. 

Rich Bennett 47:43
Yeah. So I listen it, because I love listening to the local pockets. 

Dan Bennett 47:47
Hmm. 

Rich Bennett 47:49
Uh-huh. Yeah. But favorite. I'm going to start with you. 

Dan Bennett 47:52
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 47:52
Favorite local band. 

Brad Cox 47:54
Oh, it's good to clips. That's easy. 

Rich Bennett 47:58
well, 

Dan Bennett 47:58
I mean, 

Rich Bennett 47:58
fat naming skits are clips over better than Avenue. 

Dan Bennett 48:01
Of course. 

Brad Cox 48:01
It's kind 

Dan Bennett 48:01
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 48:01
of bad name is that. 

Dan Bennett 48:03
Well, I can't pick turnstile now because where are you talking about them and they're not local now? Um, of course, it's been a while since I was out playing with a bunch of bands and really got to know them, but I can still shout them out by something more was probably my favorite one when I was back playing pop punk shows at all the pop punk clubs all around something more was really great. Bunch of kids from Hartford County really, um, and then one of them branched off to a more hardcore group with a female lead singer that was called honor was one iteration of it, and then sharp tooth. I don't know if sharp tooth is still around. I know highest honors, not I think a lot of the bands that I liked are not around anymore. So by default it is now. Skits so calypso 

Rich Bennett 48:47
highest 

Dan Bennett 48:47
not by, not by default. 

Rich Bennett 48:49
What about yours be shot skits 

Brad Cox 48:51
Um, I've been seeing just because I've been doing the acoustic thing lately, I'm going to give a shout out to a couple just a local acoustic folks. Anthony Friesha is a really good songwriter. And he's he's he's he's cool. He's like very much a vagabond. He'll just throw himself on tour, come back. And he's just out there. He's doing the thing so a lot of respect for his approach, Dana Denise, amazing, amazing vocalist pianist. So 

Rich Bennett 49:18
so okay. 

Brad Cox 49:18
just a really talented cat there. I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm a little bit removed from the bands themselves because I only did the one skits or show and Lennox will always be a favorite local band. Those those guys and back in the day, like it was skits or clips or hail storm Lennox agents of the sun, goldmine squad. We all played together all the 

Rich Bennett 49:40
right. 

Brad Cox 49:40
Hail storm obviously became bigger than. you know, bigger than life, but we just got to play the other night with Lennox and it was just, it was cool because we hadn't seen each other in years. 

Rich Bennett 49:50
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 49:51
So they had a reunion back in 2012 and it had been six years at that point. So then we saw them in like obviously 2025. So I'm like, what are we going to get together and like 2001? Yeah, like so, but Lennox will always be near and dear. 

Rich Bennett 50:05
My, I definitely have to go with Valley. 

Brad Cox 50:07
Oh, yeah, how is great. 

Dan Bennett 50:09
I 

Rich Bennett 50:09
love them. 

Brad Cox 50:10
And he's still killing it. 

Rich Bennett 50:12
oh, I know. 

Brad Cox 50:12
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 50:13
Well, that movie, I mentioned, Catholic Slayers. They did, I think one or two songs on that. 

Brad Cox 50:18
Okay. Awesome. 

Rich Bennett 50:19
Uh, and I 

Dan Bennett 50:20
think it's 

Rich Bennett 50:20
released another album. If I'm, is that the right term now album? 

Brad Cox 50:24
They released a new song about a week, a couple weeks ago, or maybe it was how he released a 

Rich Bennett 50:29
Okay. 

Brad Cox 50:29
song. It was good. 

Rich Bennett 50:30
And I believe he's local. Well, I know the one is local. I know you really don't listen to country, but Dean Crawford. 

Brad Cox 50:38
I know the name 

Rich Bennett 50:38
He's 

Brad Cox 50:38
again. 

Rich Bennett 50:39
awesome and Mark Bray. Actually, was it, is it Mark that used to do the stuff? No. Who's the guy you know that did worked with Maryland championship wrestling? He's also in a band, but he don't. 

Dan Bennett 50:49
Oh, Danny Mason. 

Rich Bennett 50:50
Oh, they do 

Brad Cox 50:50
Yeah. Oh, 

Rich Bennett 50:50
cover. 

Brad Cox 50:51
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 50:51
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 50:51
Danny Maze. The goal market's gone. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 50:54
Don't they do covers? Yeah. Okay. 

Brad Cox 50:57
Yeah, it's 

Dan Bennett 50:57
been 

Brad Cox 50:58
here's 

Dan Bennett 50:58
an original band, too. Yeah, here's to the 

Rich Bennett 50:59
Yeah, 

Dan Bennett 50:59
night. 

Rich Bennett 51:00
yeah. Okay. Yeah, they're gonna be playing down the marina. 

Dan Bennett 51:02
80s and 90s. 

Brad Cox 51:03
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 51:03
Oh, that's right. That's the band we saw up in 

Brad Cox 51:06
heaven. They're great. 

Rich Bennett 51:07
Where 

Dan Bennett 51:07
died? I 

Rich Bennett 51:08
are I 

Dan Bennett 51:08
bill. Billy and I loved them. 

Rich Bennett 51:09
Brad, yeah. Yeah, you sure did. So my best friend, Billy. Yeah. And my son, Danny, they were on the floor singing along with... What is it? This is the night. 

Brad Cox 51:21
Here's 

Rich Bennett 51:22
Here's 

Brad Cox 51:22
the. 

Rich Bennett 51:22
to the night. 

To the song by Shania Twain. God, I feel... 

Dan Bennett 51:28
Man, I 

Rich Bennett 51:29
Man, 

Dan Bennett 51:29
feel like. 

Rich Bennett 51:29
I feel like a woman. 

Brad Cox 51:30
That I's up, yep. 

Rich Bennett 51:31
Yeah, and they're both out there singing 

Brad Cox 51:33
That's 

Rich Bennett 51:33
along. 

Brad Cox 51:33
awesome. 

Rich Bennett 51:34
And what's the... 

Dan Bennett 51:34
There might have been a poll involved, too. 

Rich Bennett 51:36
Yeah, there 

Brad Cox 51:36
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 51:37
was. 

Brad Cox 51:37
there were dancing 

Rich Bennett 51:38
stripping. No, no, they weren't. Thank 

Dan Bennett 51:40
Not 

Rich Bennett 51:40
God. 

Dan Bennett 51:40
stripping. 

Rich Bennett 51:41
But they're, 

Dan Bennett 51:41
But it was there. 

Rich Bennett 51:42
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 51:42
I do. 

Brad Cox 51:44
Yeah, that was exactly. 

Rich Bennett 51:44
And what was the boy band you guys are singing too? 

Dan Bennett 51:46
Backstreet Boy's probably, or in 

Rich Bennett 51:48
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 51:48
sync, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 51:49
Which is pretty, you know, it's the funny thing, and I love this. To me, this, 

this good musicians can do this. When you take songs like that from an all boy band, or even a Shanaia Twain or whatever, and you can turn it to where it's like kicking ass even more 

Dan Bennett 52:09
and 

Rich Bennett 52:10
in rock 

Dan Bennett 52:10
mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 52:11
And that's, those 

Brad Cox 52:12
Well, 

Rich Bennett 52:12
guys-- 

Brad Cox 52:12
I'll tell you what the trickiest thing about a cart myself out acoustically was, is like, I've been doing the rock and roll thing for so long 

Rich Bennett 52:19
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 52:20
that, like, like a guy like you brought up Mark Bray. 

Rich Bennett 52:22
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 52:23
like, that's what he does, 

Rich Bennett 52:24
Yeah, 

Brad Cox 52:25
you know, he does the acoustic thing. So it was like, now I'm gonna go out and try to like make these songs work acoustically, and it's a totally different 

Rich Bennett 52:32
It's 

Brad Cox 52:32
thing. 

Rich Bennett 52:32
harder, isn't 

Brad Cox 52:32
It's not. It's actually easier 

Rich Bennett 52:35
it? 

Brad Cox 52:35
in a 

Rich Bennett 52:35
Really? 

Brad Cox 52:35
lot of ways, because you can really hear yourself. You know, unless you have IEMs, like when you're out playing live, it's like everything's just allowed. 

Rich Bennett 52:42
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 52:42
And you just a lot of times using your skull as a monitor. You're just doing the best you can. But like to transition and do the acoustic thing, that's tricky. So I hats off to anybody who's going either way. Like if Mark Bray got 

Dan Bennett 52:55
*coughing* 

Brad Cox 52:55
a doing like, you know. Master puppets and welcome to the jungle and stuff 

Rich Bennett 53:00
Right. 

Brad Cox 53:00
like that, you know. That's a whole other animal. 

Rich Bennett 53:03
Bye. So, because you know how I am with bands that I suggest a lot to you, for what you do, 

Brad Cox 53:13
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 53:14
A band that you would love to see, now I'm, I'm talking strictly Hartford County. A band national band that you would love to see play here. 

Brad Cox 53:24
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 53:24
any type of genre doesn't matter. That has not played here yet. 

Brad Cox 53:29
The one who has not played here, that I don't know. I would like to hear real big fish. I think that would be great. 

Rich Bennett 53:35
I've heard that 

Brad Cox 53:36
they're Skaban, 

Dan Bennett 53:37
band. Yeah, 

Brad Cox 53:37
but 

Rich Bennett 53:37
*cough* 

Brad Cox 53:37
they're very 

Rich Bennett 53:38
okay, 

Brad Cox 53:39
okay. I might like to see A-ha live, just to see it. They 

Dan Bennett 53:44
show around. 

Brad Cox 53:45
don't know. In excess, I don't know 

Dan Bennett 53:47
I 

Brad Cox 53:47
if they ever come around here, I'm sure they have, obviously. 

Rich Bennett 53:50
I saw that, uh, I think in September, um, flock of seagulls is coming in 

Brad Cox 53:55
really? 

Rich Bennett 53:55
here. Yes. 

Brad Cox 53:56
Just be fun to see it. 

Rich Bennett 53:57
I mean, so the lead singer is the only original one now, but he's the one that did all the moog. I don't think he- 

Brad Cox 54:02
I 

Rich Bennett 54:02
hair. 

Brad Cox 54:02
think he's 

Rich Bennett 54:03
Bald 

Brad Cox 54:03
bald. 

Rich Bennett 54:03
now, so he doesn't have the 

Brad Cox 54:04
Right. 

Rich Bennett 54:04
weird hair. 

Brad Cox 54:05
He needs the Where a wig or something. 

Rich Bennett 54:07
Yeah, what about you, Dan? 

Dan Bennett 54:09
So like, I feel like I've seen a lot of the bands and artists that I would really like to see in my 

Brad Cox 54:13
life. Oh. 

Rich Bennett 54:14
met ones that people don't know yet. 

Brad Cox 54:16
I 

Rich Bennett 54:16
Maybe not a lot of people know. 

Brad Cox 54:18
Yeah, yeah, okay. So 

Rich Bennett 54:19
you- I'll come back, you can. 

Dan Bennett 54:22
So, I was thinking of- I think about that while I drive around listening to music, 

Rich Bennett 54:27
who 

Dan Bennett 54:28
I have not seen yet that I would like to see. I've never seen Zack Brown band, they would be cool. I don't know if they want to- well, I mean, they've played 

Rich Bennett 54:35
I don't think 

Dan Bennett 54:36
all 

Rich Bennett 54:36
there's 

Dan Bennett 54:36
over 

Rich Bennett 54:36
any 

Dan Bennett 54:36
the 

Rich Bennett 54:36
place 

Dan Bennett 54:36
place at 

Rich Bennett 54:36
in 

Dan Bennett 54:37
this 

Rich Bennett 54:37
"Harford 

Dan Bennett 54:37
point. 

Rich Bennett 54:37
County" big enough. 

Dan Bennett 54:40
Um, there's a newer band that I've come- become aware of recently through TikTok. I actually called Idols. They are from England. 

Brad Cox 54:49
Mm-hmm. 

Dan Bennett 54:50
The guy really doesn't sing. He's just kind of shouty. And their music is like very- they're just cool, they're groovy, they're dark, in a way. They're cool. And Tyler Childers, who is a country guy, more of a bluegrass singer-songwriter, he's got an album coming out too. I think he's from West Virginia, somewhere in Appalachia. 

Rich Bennett 55:13
Okay. 

Dan Bennett 55:15
Like, I'm sure he plays all kinds of huge bluegrass festivals and whatnot, but that would be awesome, too. So, I'd like to check off the list. 

Brad Cox 55:22
I would like to see the doodies. 

Dan Bennett 55:25
The 

Brad Cox 55:26
doodies are from Southern Israel. It's two guys. The singer is amazing, but the drummer he plays, uh, this synth bass while he's playing 

Rich Bennett 55:35
Oh! 

Brad Cox 55:35
drum- He's 

Rich Bennett 55:35
Huh. 

Brad Cox 55:36
like, I don't know how he does it. And so it's just a two-piece, but they're amazing. And then there's a band called The Raven Age, who toured with Ira Maiden, who are just a very modern version of Maiden, it's really cool. And it's actually 

Rich Bennett 55:48
got the 

Brad Cox 55:49
George, George Goddocken, he was a last name. Uh, from Maiden. It's his son. It's one 

Rich Bennett 55:55
Okay. 

Brad Cox 55:55
of the guys from Maiden's son. 

Rich Bennett 55:57
One band, I definitely, and I think I sent you their information is Lilliac, 

Brad Cox 56:02
Lilliac, 

Rich Bennett 56:02
which- The 

Brad Cox 56:02
okay. 

Rich Bennett 56:03
family, uh, 

Brad Cox 56:04
or is it Lilac, or 

Rich Bennett 56:06
Lilliac? 

Brad Cox 56:06
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 56:06
Yeah. Yeah. It's the family. I probably turned you on to him before. 

Dan Bennett 56:11
Maybe. 

Rich Bennett 56:12
Sister. 

Dan Bennett 56:13
Sister. 

Rich Bennett 56:14
Sister. One 

Dan Bennett 56:14
Let's 

Rich Bennett 56:14
does- 

Dan Bennett 56:15
leave her. Drums. 

Rich Bennett 56:16
yeah another one of his on drums, three brothers, two on guitar, one on keyboard, uhm, but oh my god, I think the leasinger's name is Melody, holy sh*t that girl can belt that a tune. to hear her do 

Dan Bennett 56:30
like, 

Rich Bennett 56:31
he thing, 

Mime, uh, mind blowing, definitely would love to see that play here, uhm, and uh, oh god, just went in my head that Danquick. actually, he's going on tour now, John Morton, country singer, who's written, how we started this, he's written for a lot of 

Dan Bennett 56:52
artists, 

Rich Bennett 56:53
including Jason Adin and all that, and I think he finally just started recording songs and I think he just got a number one hit if I'm not mistaken, 

Brad Cox 57:01
well, good for him, 

Dan Bennett 57:02
there you go, 

Brad Cox 57:03
uhm, 

Rich Bennett 57:04
and well, the other one I already saw knows, that was at the college. 

Brad Cox 57:08
oh yeah, they're great, 

Rich Bennett 57:09
I love 

Brad Cox 57:10
that, yeah, 

Rich Bennett 57:11
yeah, I love 

Brad Cox 57:12
that, another one that was really great if there was the Dallas string quartet, oh they were so good, 

Rich Bennett 57:17
how did the Texas, was it Texas tenors? 

Brad Cox 57:19
it got rescheduled, 

Rich Bennett 57:21
oh, they got re-... 

Brad Cox 57:21
yeah, it's gonna be February 20th, 2026. 

Rich Bennett 57:23
okay, 

Brad Cox 57:24
yeah, so, switching venues, they wanted to be in a theater anyway, and at the time we only had the arena available, so they wanted more of a theater-seating kind of situation, but it's a little bit more intimate, I guess, because the theater holds 3,000 people, 

Rich Bennett 57:37
gonna, 

Brad Cox 57:37
so if you're 

Rich Bennett 57:38
yeah, 

Brad Cox 57:38
get 600 to 800 people in there, it's not gonna feel as good, 

Rich Bennett 57:43
yeah, yeah, and the thing now, the theater you're talking 

Dan Bennett 57:46
about 

Brad Cox 57:47
the Amos 

Rich Bennett 57:47
yeah, 

Brad Cox 57:47
Center. 

Rich Bennett 57:48
which is 

Brad Cox 57:49
awesome, yeah, 900 people, 

Rich Bennett 57:51
yeah, yeah, I love going, sometimes those smaller venues are pretty awesome, 

Brad Cox 57:55
yeah? 

Dan Bennett 57:56
uhm, 

Rich Bennett 57:57
then, 

Dan Bennett 57:57
who 

Rich Bennett 57:59
was it? it was a tribute artist that played there, 

Brad Cox 58:02
it was a bunch, 

Rich Bennett 58:03
was it a Neil Diamond one that played? 

Brad Cox 58:05
we had one, 

Rich Bennett 58:05
we 

Brad Cox 58:06
had, yeah, we had a feeling groovy, Simon and Garfunkel, we had Neil Diamond, we've had Johnny Cash, 

Rich Bennett 58:13
he's been there twice, right? 

Brad Cox 58:14
yeah, I read the Franklin, I know, 

Rich Bennett 58:16
I heard music. 

Brad Cox 58:17
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 58:17
*laughs* we've 

Brad Cox 58:18
had all kinds of people, Beatles, ones, but they played the arena, but still, 

Rich Bennett 58:24
yeah, 

Brad Cox 58:24
a lot of great ones. we always get the lead out up there. 

Rich Bennett 58:28
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 58:28
in 

Rich Bennett 58:28
speaking 

Brad Cox 58:29
of ***** 

Dan Bennett 58:29
English, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. several species is a really cool one, 

Brad Cox 58:32
Floyd, 

Rich Bennett 58:32
Floyd, yeah, speaking of Zep on Netflix, have 

Brad Cox 58:37
ahh, 

Rich Bennett 58:37
you seen? 

Brad Cox 58:37
that's awesome, 

Rich Bennett 58:38
I just finished it 

Brad Cox 58:39
go. 

Rich Bennett 58:39
this 

Brad Cox 58:39
they 

Rich Bennett 58:39
morning, 

Brad Cox 58:40
were like the band for me, you know, and then they cracked everything open, so, and to see all that behind the scenes footage, but now I feel like becoming Zeppelin took you up to about Zeppelin 3, 

Rich Bennett 58:50
haha, 

Brad Cox 58:50
I want 

Rich Bennett 58:50
there you 

Brad Cox 58:51
Zeppelin, I want the rest, I want to find out what happened. did 

Rich Bennett 58:54
you see it, it's called Becoming Led Zeppelin? 

Dan Bennett 58:56
no, we watched Netflix documentary about that mayor from Toronto who got caught smoking 

Rich Bennett 59:01
instead. 

Dan Bennett 59:01
crack 

Rich Bennett 59:02
oh 

Brad Cox 59:03
what 

Dan Bennett 59:03
it's you, that was pretty, 

Brad Cox 59:03
is that? 

Dan Bennett 59:04
it's called, it's a series on Netflix called Trainwreck I 

Rich Bennett 59:08
yes, 

Dan Bennett 59:08
think? and they... 

Rich Bennett 59:09
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 59:09
yeah, yeah, they did want about Rob Ford, the former mayor of Toronto who got busted smoking 

Rich Bennett 59:13
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 59:13
crack. among other things. 

Rich Bennett 59:16
*laughs* there's another video of it. it's 

Dan Bennett 59:18
yeah 

Rich Bennett 59:18
under... do it 

Brad Cox 59:20
right, 

Dan Bennett 59:20
very entertaining, good like 50-minute watch to feel better about yourself, 

Rich Bennett 59:24
you... 

Dan Bennett 59:24
I think they also did want about that submarine that sank, the 

Rich Bennett 59:28
oh, 

Dan Bennett 59:28
Titan, the one that, 

Rich Bennett 59:29
yeah, 

Dan Bennett 59:29
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go after the Titanic. 

Rich Bennett 59:30
mean I did, yeah, 

Brad Cox 59:31
I 

Rich Bennett 59:31
I mean I knew you don't like Led Zeppelin but 

Dan Bennett 59:34
what? 

Rich Bennett 59:35
well, I just 

Dan Bennett 59:36
*laughs* 

Rich Bennett 59:36
remember you in the car 

Dan Bennett 59:38
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 59:38
when 

Dan Bennett 59:38
age 12 

Rich Bennett 59:38
you were, when you were younger than that, thank 

Dan Bennett 59:41
yeah 

Rich Bennett 59:41
god. driving up to... this is when I was in the IT field, driving up to Pennsylvania for a company picnic 

Dan Bennett 59:48
wow 

Rich Bennett 59:49
and he's in the... you were in a car seat still, so you were at 12, like at least I hope you were and of course I have the radio cracking and Zeplin comes on and I'm Jammin and I see him back there, I say you know who this is, Papa? Led Zeppelin? I say yeah, I was all proud that memory he knew who it was and then when the song ended I said what did you think? He said they sock 

Dan Bennett 1:00:12
*laughs* 

Rich Bennett 1:00:13
ohhh my heart just dropped I'm like what! 

Brad Cox 1:00:15
woah woah woah are 

Rich Bennett 1:00:17
you kidding me? it was 

Dan Bennett 1:00:19
but 

Rich Bennett 1:00:19
one of the... 

Dan Bennett 1:00:20
they're bad songs 

Rich Bennett 1:00:21
does Zeplin have any bad songs? uhhh 

Dan Bennett 1:00:24
no 

Rich Bennett 1:00:25
full 

Dan Bennett 1:00:26
in the rain or deer maker, not the best, like first introductions to Zeplin 

Rich Bennett 1:00:30
but they're great 

Dan Bennett 1:00:31
songs still only... I wouldn't say great 

Rich Bennett 1:00:33
great songs though, I 

Dan Bennett 1:00:34
they're 

Rich Bennett 1:00:34
think you're 

Dan Bennett 1:00:34
on 

Rich Bennett 1:00:34
out 

Dan Bennett 1:00:34
the 

Rich Bennett 1:00:34
watch, 

Dan Bennett 1:00:34
bottom of the Led Zeppelin 

Rich Bennett 1:00:36
watch the documentary 

Dan Bennett 1:00:36
song 

Rich Bennett 1:00:37
and you appreciate the songs even more 

Dan Bennett 1:00:40
well like he said, if it goes up to Zeplin 3, I want to get Zeplin 4 "Hey 

Brad Cox 1:00:45
mom!" 

Dan Bennett 1:00:45
Which I think, I think I've seen some of the clips of, like, how John Bonham recorded the drums for when the Levy breaks. They, like, went into some big tower in the middle of a grove and just went. That's a lot of the. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:09
Yeah. But what I liked is, I didn't realize this when, well, a couple things I didn't realize. when they were recording the second album, it's when they were touring the States and they would stop in the different places and record the songs. 

Brad Cox 1:01:23
So, 

Rich Bennett 1:01:23
I had no idea. Yeah, I also didn't realize that so it was, plant 

Dan Bennett 1:01:30
in Bonham. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:31
That met each other first and that page and John Paul Jones were working together in doing session work, and they were, 

Brad Cox 1:01:37
like, like, 15? 

Dan Bennett 1:01:39
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:01:39
because they were on Goldfinger, the song Goldfinger. They were saved. We got credit for and Lulu's to start with love. No 

Brad Cox 1:01:49
I 

Rich Bennett 1:01:49
idea. 

Brad Cox 1:01:49
mean, 

Rich Bennett 1:01:49
the page also played with James Brown. 

Brad Cox 1:01:51
I don't know. I don't recall that part. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:53
Artistone. It was the stench. 

Brad Cox 1:01:55
one of the things I've learned from doing the podcast is that these people that seem to have, like, incredible talent and not to say they don't have a predisposition to the talent, but those people nine times out of 10. They started really early, like, between three and eight. And the people that started middle school high school, they're just never going to catch up because their brains can't do a three to eight year old brain. They could 

Rich Bennett 1:02:19
So, 

Brad Cox 1:02:19
learn like 30 languages 

Rich Bennett 1:02:21
age. 

Brad Cox 1:02:21
at that 

Rich Bennett 1:02:21
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 1:02:21
And so they could play up and down the piano as you could start practicing today in the 10 years from now. Still not be anywhere near as good as something's 

Rich Bennett 1:02:30
True. 

Brad Cox 1:02:30
cat. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:31
You see 

Brad Cox 1:02:32
they're doing. Page had that. That was the point. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:34
I can't wait to see this when they film when it comes out. They're doing a kiss bio 

Brad Cox 1:02:39
pick. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:40
And they. Sorry. I'll still talk to 

Brad Cox 1:02:44
I 

Rich Bennett 1:02:44
you, but 

Brad Cox 1:02:45
just out of fan. 

Dan Bennett 1:02:46
Have you. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:46
But get away with it. But guess who they pick. Guess who they pick so far that is good. I think he's actually I think he signed to play Paul Stanley. 

Brad Cox 1:02:55
I already know this, but I can't think of the name. He was from a high school 

Rich Bennett 1:02:58
musical. Nick Jonas. 

Brad Cox 1:02:59
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:00
Yeah. I think he could pull it off. It's going to be whoever can Paul. Do. Gene Simmons. Go ahead, Dan. What were you going to say? 

Dan Bennett 1:03:06
So they're also doing like a Bruce Springsteen bio pick that's going to come out. I know he's a polarizing figure. But the actor Jeremy Allen White playing Bruce doesn't really look like him at all. But I saw a clip of him, like performing. And he's got all the mannerisms. He sounds just like Bruce Springsteen, like back in the 

Rich Bennett 1:03:25
He's 

Dan Bennett 1:03:25
70s. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:25
actually going to be doing the vocals. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:27
He's doing the actual vocals. And when I first heard the clip of it, I was like, that's not that. That's not an actor. He's just like lip syncing. No. He's not lip 

Rich Bennett 1:03:34
And 

Dan Bennett 1:03:34
syncing. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:35
that's 

Dan Bennett 1:03:35
it. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:35
that I 

Dan Bennett 1:03:36
I like 

Rich Bennett 1:03:36
like 

Dan Bennett 1:03:36
it. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:38
Yeah. They hire somebody that also does. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:40
Yeah. What's what happened with Jamie Foxx and Ray Charles too? 

Rich Bennett 1:03:42
Yeah. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:42
Ray Charles was like, Oh, man, you're 

Rich Bennett 1:03:44
Well, the 

Dan Bennett 1:03:44
the 

Rich Bennett 1:03:45
guy 

Dan Bennett 1:03:45
shit. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:45
that did. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:45
And then he died. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:46
Did. Um, pretty mercury. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:49
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:49
That he didn't do the vocals. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:50
Correct. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:51
But yet, Joaquin Phoenix. 

Dan Bennett 1:03:54
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 1:03:55
he did the 

Dan Bennett 1:03:56
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:57
Yeah. 

Brad Cox 1:03:57
voice. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:57
And so did our Reese Witherspoon. She's 

Dan Bennett 1:04:00
I think so. Yeah. And you can tell with Joaquin. That's not Johnny Cash. But he still. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:05
not a 

Dan Bennett 1:04:05
He did really good though. He did a great service to that 

Rich Bennett 1:04:08
good 

Dan Bennett 1:04:08
role. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:09
big time. 

Dan Bennett 1:04:09
That's a great movie. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:11
I don't leave it up to you guys. You have rapid. Tell everybody how they could get in touch with demand, the myth, the legend, the MAG FATHER, 

Brad Cox 1:04:18
You can get in touch with me by going to Brad William Cox.com. You will find the podcast. You will find the books. You will find the music. And you might actually get a warning saying that this site is used for hacking. Because 

Dan Bennett 1:04:31
huh. 

Brad Cox 1:04:32
I didn't fill out my SSL script 

Rich Bennett 1:04:34
Oh, 

Brad Cox 1:04:34
thing. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:35
yeah, your 

Brad Cox 1:04:36
The site's fine. Just 

Rich Bennett 1:04:37
shit. 

Brad Cox 1:04:37
go. Anyway, Brad William Cox.com. And 

Dan Bennett 1:04:41
I'll 

Brad Cox 1:04:41
be next week. I'll be a following branch on Thursday, which this won't even air. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:46
It 

Brad Cox 1:04:47
doesn't matter. Just go to Brad William Cox.com. 

Dan Bennett 1:04:49
You'll 

Rich Bennett 1:04:50
find as everywhere he's going to be. Dan you got anything to add? 

Dan Bennett 1:04:53
It's a great time to come work with me if you want to. Locals hiring. Okay. I BW local 24. They're looking. They're looking for guides. There's going to be a lot of work coming up. You might have to drive out to Frederic and some other places for it, but. Treasure, 

Brad Cox 1:05:07
there 

Rich Bennett 1:05:07
it is. Treasure? 

Dan Bennett 1:05:08
Treasure booming rate. Well, well ours is booming right now. 

Brad Cox 1:05:11
that's 

Dan Bennett 1:05:11
Electrally, 

Brad Cox 1:05:11
awesome, because I know there's a lot of fear out there with everything going on politically. I don't think that, like, I think everything's going to be 

Dan Bennett 1:05:17
yeah. 

Brad Cox 1:05:18
fine. 

Dan Bennett 1:05:18
I mean, a bad, a down time could very much be right around the corner. It was kind of bad two years ago, but right now, good time to get in. Good time to be- 

Rich Bennett 1:05:26
All the treat. HVACs. 

Dan Bennett 1:05:28
Uh-huh. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:31
Guys, thanks a lot, man. 

Brad Cox 1:05:33
Yeah, man. Thank you, Rich. It's always a good time. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:35
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