The Science Of Forgiveness With Hanna Kok

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Rich Bennett 1:01
truth. So what if the one thing standing between you and true healing isn't a diagnosis, a diet, or even your doctor. But something deeper, something unspoken. Today's guest is Hannah Cooke, a coach, speaker, and author with over 30 years of experience in the body, mind, spirit connection. She's not just helping women rebalance their hormones. She's rewriting the way we think about wellness. As a certified educational kinesiologist, allergy practitioner, and medical intuitive, Hannah helps women restore their well-being without medication, hormones, surgery, or even lifestyle changes. But here's where it gets really interesting. Hannah says the root of our physical distress often lies in something of us carry silently, unforgiveness. In her words, unforgiveness is the silent poison. Recon havoc on our hormonal balance, immune system, and emotional resilience. So in this conversation, we're going to dive into how unresolved emotional pain can literally make us sick, and how forgiveness isn't just a spiritual act, but a biological one. So if you ever felt stuck in your healing or you're searching for answers beyond conventional medicine, you're going to want to hear what Hannah has to share. So grab your coffee or water, whatever you want to drink, and get ready to take notes because you're going to learn a lot on this one. How you doing, Hannah? 

Hanna Kok 2:39
I'm doing great. And thank you for this wonderful introduction. 

Rich Bennett 2:44
Oh, my honor. 

Hanna Kok 2:47
I also want to thank your listeners, by the way, because listeners for for you to take time to listen to the podcast, I really appreciate that you do that. And I'm here to give as much of share, as much of my knowledge with you so that you can benefit and have a different healing experience. 

Rich Bennett 3:06
And we've talked about forgiveness every once in a while on here. And well, we'll get into that a little bit, but you spent over 30 years working with the body, mind, spirit connection. What actually sports your journey into this kind of healing work? 

Hanna Kok 3:24
It's funny how it happened. It was actually fake, because what happened was I was a teacher at first, chemistry and biology teacher. And then I thought, well, I've been going from school to school to school. I just changed side of the desk, so I wanted to experience something about life, so that I could share that with the kids in the classroom. 

Rich Bennett 3:49
Right. 

Hanna Kok 3:49
And I ended up going for six months to explore the world, and I had organized myself to go to a little country called Lesutu. Now, I'm from the Netherlands originally. I don't know if you've ever heard of Lesutu, but if you if you look, I also never heard of it when I heard it. So I thought, where's this? Better know where it is before I go there. But if you look at the map of South Africa, there's always a little pimple in there. 

Rich Bennett 4:17
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 4:18
And that is Lesutu. It's a little mountain kingdom. 

Rich Bennett 4:22
Oh, wow. 

Hanna Kok 4:23
And I was going to go for six months, and then I ended up meeting my husband there, and I stayed. That is. And then while I was there, we were studying something called in a light consciousness. And through there, I got introduced to somebody who was teaching the educational kinesiology. And she loved coming to our little village that we lived because it was real African experience. Our car park. Sorry, last one. Our car park was filled with horses and donkeys. That's how 

Rich Bennett 5:02
was. 

Hanna Kok 5:02
isolated it 

Rich Bennett 5:04
Wow. Dad, do you still live there now or? 

Hanna Kok 5:07
No, no, no. 

Rich Bennett 5:08
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 5:09
my husband passed away and then I've 

Rich Bennett 5:11
oh I'm 

Hanna Kok 5:11
sorry to South Africa no but that's that's where my forgiveness story started 

Rich Bennett 5:16
oh all right so for those you might not be familiar can you break down what educational kinesiologist allergy practitioner and medical intuitive actually do 

Hanna Kok 5:29
right so what we all do is we work with a body to make changes in the in your mind or actually the medical intuitive works with the mind and then creates changes in the body so as an educational kinesiologist and other word for this brain gym some people maybe have heard of brain gym but we use movement and through movement we now make new connections in the brain because if I for example move my right arm and my left leg at the same time and vice versa I make that movement now I'm using both sides of the brain and then it gives me the ability to see pictures and the details at the same time and then if I have it with a goal then I can find out what is blocking me and then shift it through movement that's what educational kinesiology does and what I liked about it was as I said I left the Netherlands that's where I'm from 

Rich Bennett 6:32
well 

Hanna Kok 6:32
to find out about life and then we were studying and this guy had this nine-step emotional process and it was all about changing your attitude and then it was the first one was recognize you have emotion and the last step was now change your behavior and I'm going like the how do you do that it's not that easy it's hard 

Rich Bennett 6:58
yeah 

Hanna Kok 6:59
because you have to shift on that subconscious level for that new behavior to kick in and that it feels natural now when you start using movement or visualizations or working on the body with the Eucharame points 

Rich Bennett 7:17
right 

Hanna Kok 7:18
you making a shift on that subconscious level and then the change becomes 

Rich Bennett 7:25
an actual oh interesting and now and that's what an educational Kinesiology just 

Hanna Kok 7:34
does yes 

Rich Bennett 7:34
now what what about the allergy 

Hanna Kok 7:36
practitioner right so 

Rich Bennett 7:37
not 

Hanna Kok 7:37
that 

Rich Bennett 7:37
what we think right 

Hanna Kok 7:39
it's that again the 

Rich Bennett 7:40
it's 

Hanna Kok 7:40
last 

Rich Bennett 7:40
probably not what we think is it 

Hanna Kok 7:42
well maybe it is I'm sure 

Rich Bennett 7:44
okay 

Hanna Kok 7:44
what you're thinking so the allergy practitioner it's all about overcoming your allergies so instead of changing your diet instead of avoiding the allergens or taking medication you can re-educate the body to be in harmony with the allergens and then you can introduce it again 

Rich Bennett 8:09
oh yeah that's what I was what what I was thinking at all 

Hanna Kok 8:13
but were you 

Rich Bennett 8:14
thinking I was thinking with the allergy practitioner I was thinking medicine and all of that to help control your allergy 

Hanna Kok 8:24
yeah no I don't like controlling things because that means I have to avoid things or take medication 

Rich Bennett 8:29
right yeah you're not fixing 

Hanna Kok 8:31
it no 

Rich Bennett 8:32
it's it's just you're putting a band-aid on it basically and anybody knows something's broken you want it fixed not just temporary and what about the medical intuitive 

Hanna Kok 8:45
so with the medical intuitive that is something I also really love is the where you you know the emotions get stored in the body when we have emotions this is now a bit of the biology teacher coming out here the we have neuro peptides floating through the bloodstream and they lock onto cells and they create reactions in the cells and they stay there they keep giving that signal to the cell until we release those emotions until we release the traumas that we experience we make peace with them forgiveness is part of that or can be part of that and then that then release is released from the cells and then the cells can calm down again and start healing and with the medical intuitive training you learn to read a person's energy and also knowing oh well if you have stomach problems or you know your gut problems it's not always about what you eat it's all the experiences that we have piled up or that we experienced that we 

Rich Bennett 10:04
right 

Hanna Kok 10:05
experienced as abuse is affects the gut. But if we have, uh, things around separation that we want to feel separated or wanna push people away or we struggle to feel loved and give love, then we end up with skin problems. So, 

Rich Bennett 10:24
different 

Hanna Kok 10:26
issues will manifest differently in the body. And when you resolve it, the body can heal itself without medication, without diet changes, without lifestyle changing. 

Rich Bennett 10:39
Getting rid of those toxins inside. 

Hanna Kok 10:42
But get rid of the emotional toxins. 

Rich Bennett 10:45
That, yes, not the, yeah. Eh, I think that's, I don't think a lot of people understand that, that yeah, you carry emotional toxins within you and you can release them, get of them. Which, I'm sure we'll get into it a little bit here. So, you actually specialize in helping women balance their hormones without medication. 

Hanna Kok 11:06
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 11:06
Hormones, surgery or even lifestyle changes. How's 

Hanna Kok 11:11
Correct. 

Rich Bennett 11:11
that possible? 

Hanna Kok 11:14
Well, it, it comes back again a little bit what I said. We've got these poison stuck in there. But what is interesting? Have you of Meridians and the acupuncturists that stick needles in the body? 

Rich Bennett 11:27
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 11:27
Right. So the, the, for your listeners that don't know what Meridians are, they are basically the energy pathways that our life force runs through the body. And they have been scientifically proven. They, when they were busy with finding if they were true, people would inject radioactive material at the beginning point of the Meridian and then they would see that that radioactive material would follow that exact route that they already knew was there for thousands of years. 

Rich Bennett 12:01
So Right. 

Hanna Kok 12:04
Now, these Meridians, we've got 14 major Meridians. of them are linked to organs. And one of them is called the circulation sex meridian, which is linked to the heart sac, which, 

Rich Bennett 12:20
12 

Hanna Kok 12:20
runs our hormonal system. And our thought, thinking, has an effect on the flow of the energy going through those Meridians. So if we have fearful thoughts, the Meridians flow is inhibited. When we have more loving thoughts, they open up. And each Meridian has a specific thought pattern linked to them. And what is the thought pattern that inhibits the flow of the circulation sex meridian is holding grudges. 

Rich Bennett 12:59
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 13:00
And the antidote is forgiveness. 

Rich Bennett 13:04
Which it seems, forgiveness can be the answer to for a lot of things I believe. 

Hanna Kok 13:09
Absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 13:09
And I want to get into that because you describe unforgiveness as the silent poison, which I 

Hanna Kok 13:16
correct. 

Rich Bennett 13:16
100% agree with. But what does that mean for the listeners? What does that mean and how did you come to this realization? 

Hanna Kok 13:26
Well, as I said to you already, what I learned with the training and but also with my own experience, I lost my husband. It was not a natural cause. So forgiveness I had to forgive the people that were involved. And I could see the people around me who struggled with forgiveness, having health problems. Now, I was very fortunate that I had learned about forgiveness before it all happened. So I was quick that I realized, you know, I need to forgive people because I need to move on with my life, and not get stuck in pain and and the big, why question that people ask like, why is this happening to me? And then they get stuck. So then now let's go back. So the question was, how did I come to this? So I learned I could see the people that are not forgiving were getting sick. That was the main thing. 

Rich Bennett 14:27
Emotionally 

Hanna Kok 14:28
sick. 

Rich Bennett 14:28
and physically 

Hanna Kok 14:29
Yeah, physically 

Rich Bennett 14:29
sick. Okay. 

Hanna Kok 14:30
And if you look at cancer, for example, those people have experienced major hurt and have not come to terms with it. 

Rich Bennett 14:46
Interesting. Wow. 

Hanna Kok 14:49
But what I have done and this is also gift that I have for your listeners, I just want to tell a little bit about it and then at the end we can tell how they can get hold of it. But that thinking we have so much emotional 

dirt rubbish floating around in our minds, you know, stuck in the bodies. We never release it or hardly ever. We might be working with affirmations. We told to put positive statements in, but where does the rubbish go that you've been thinking about or that you've been holding on for so many years, and that rubbish can be that you're angry or frustrated, but it can also be like, "I'm useless. I'm worthless. I'm no good." I mean, we talk to ourselves really badly, at least most of us, the guilt, the shame, there's so much stuff in there. I've created a web app called IceRive where I've put all the information together, while I've learned from the different modalities and what I'm still learning, and created these audio recordings. have some affirmations in there, but I have a lot of releasing statements. 

Rich Bennett 16:08
They 

Hanna Kok 16:09
Release statements, so I release my anger. Release my frustration. I release whatever it is. So there's a lot of releasing taking place, and then we put other uplifting statements in there, releasing some limiting beliefs, putting others in there. And yeah, I'll tell you more about that, but that is what your listeners 

Rich Bennett 16:32
say. Oh, tell us now. Yeah, I was gonna say, tell us now. Let's not wait. 

Hanna Kok 16:37
Okay, so I've got specific ones for hormones. 

Rich Bennett 16:42
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 16:42
Are now for the general hormones, so these are the unisex hormones, so not so much about the estrogen and the br Justron and the testosterone and all of those, but we've got so hormones. The dopamine, the serotonin. and all you have to do is go to my name, Hannah Cook. Now, how you spell? Hannah, I know English people love to put an H at the end of Hannah, so you are allowed to do that. But the third name has to be K, okay, so you can do Hannah with the H at the end, then Hannah without the H at the end. But the surname 

Rich Bennett 17:16
Oh, 

Hanna Kok 17:16
has to be Cook, and then so it's Hannah, Cook dot 

Rich Bennett 17:20
com. Easy to remember. 

Hanna Kok 17:22
Yeah. And there you'll get these hormone 

eye thrives, some other special gifts in there as well. So if you sign up for that, it's super easy 

and you can therefore you to keep. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 17:43
Oh, wow. And that's going to help people forgive. 

Hanna Kok 17:46
Well, there is a forgiveness course in there that teach people to forgive if they don't know how to forgive. It's it's about seven short videos, about five minutes there, but there is also in the recordings, it are recordings about releasing grudges and being willing to forgive and to forgive. That is in there. But what is the good news about those recordings is no active listening is required. You can just play them softly in the background and the subconscious mind will absorb them. 

Rich Bennett 18:21
Really? 

Hanna Kok 18:22
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 18:23
Oh, I like that. 

Hanna Kok 18:25
Yes, because most people say, no, I don't want to listen to something more. No, you just put them on and I play mind while I sleep. 

Rich Bennett 18:35
I was just going to ask you, can you like somehow another link it up with either I gotta watch how I don't want to say the name because she'll come on Lexi, you know, that uh that Lexa thing or even the Google can just sync up with them. 

Hanna Kok 18:54
Well, it is a web. I don't know enough about that. 

Rich Bennett 18:58
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 18:58
I don't use those. I don't want somebody listening in, 

Rich Bennett 19:02
right? So it's on your phone then. 

Hanna Kok 19:06
No, but you can't play it on your computer. 

Rich Bennett 19:08
Right. 

Hanna Kok 19:09
Okay. Play it on anything with an internet connection. 

Rich Bennett 19:13
I'm thinking yeah, because I'm thinking when you go to sleep to have that plane in the background 

Hanna Kok 19:17
I do. I do. 

Rich Bennett 19:19
Okay, 

Hanna Kok 19:20
So I 

Rich Bennett 19:20
wow. 

Hanna Kok 19:20
played on my phone super softly, 

Rich Bennett 19:24
right? 

Hanna Kok 19:24
In the background, but know people want to maybe hear what I'm saying so you can turn the volume up and hear 

Rich Bennett 19:32
I 

Hanna Kok 19:32
every so there's nothing hidden I'm not and if you played on the on the computer you can have two tabs open one with a music of your choice and the other one you can play the the i-thrive and you could cover them if that's what you 

Rich Bennett 19:48
That's that's pretty smart. 

Hanna Kok 19:50
want. 

Rich Bennett 19:51
I like that. All right, so with forgiveness because this is something that's always hurt me. 

Hanna Kok 19:58
Right. 

Rich Bennett 19:58
I want to know how you deal with it. People that say they can never forgive either somebody or something. How do you deal with that? 

Hanna Kok 20:09
There's, well, if I have them with me in person, there's one thing that I do, that is something what we do in kinesiology is called muscle testing. So what I'll do is I'll get the person to hand, stick their arm out, and then I will push on their arm. So now in this case, I'm pushing on my 

Rich Bennett 20:26
arm. 

Hanna Kok 20:26
own 

Rich Bennett 20:27
Right, 

Hanna Kok 20:27
But I'll feel how hard can I push that I can hold the arm up and give maximum pressure, but I adjust my pressure to what they can still hold the arm up, because if you have a very, if you're much stronger than the other person, you can always push it down, and that's 

Rich Bennett 20:43
right. 

Hanna Kok 20:43
not the idea. You want to find that point where they can just hold it up and you can push. And so you think of something pleasant and they can hold it up easily, and then you say, now think of that person. That you upset with, and it goes 'jup down', 

Rich Bennett 21:02
Oh 

Hanna Kok 21:03
that 

Rich Bennett 21:03
wow, 

Hanna Kok 21:03
arm comes down, and that person can be dead for decades, 

Rich Bennett 21:08
right. 

Hanna Kok 21:08
and the arm still comes down. So then I'm telling the client, well, do you want to give your precious life force to the person you least want to have it, because they are now in charge of your energy. They are rubbing your joy, so forgiveness is all about you and has nothing to do with the other person. Now there are reasons why people don't want to forgive, some misconceptions. 

Rich Bennett 21:42
Yes. 

Hanna Kok 21:42
One is, when you forgive, you do not have to 

Rich Bennett 21:48
forget. Right. 

Hanna Kok 21:50
When you forgive, you do not have to let that person back into your life. When you forgive, it doesn't mean to say, 'I condone your behavior, I approve of your behavior', no. What it means is, 'I accept it happened and I'm choosing to let it go'. 

Rich Bennett 22:15
What happens to that person once they do that? Once they forgive. 

Hanna Kok 22:21
You know what? The energy comes back. When they understand also another thing is, I help people understand why it happened, because for example, somebody is really rude to you. 

Rich Bennett 22:39
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 22:42
Then I ask them, 'How rude are you to you, to yourself?' 

Rich Bennett 22:48
'Oh damn!' 'Wow, that's 

Hanna Kok 22:53
Because you 

Rich Bennett 22:54
strong!' 

Hanna Kok 22:54
I know. It's not easy to hear always. 

Rich Bennett 22:57
'Yeah!' 

Hanna Kok 22:59
However, however, this is what this famous major teacher was teaching 2,000 years ago about removing the beam from her own eye before removing the spec from the eye from somebody else. What we see in others is in us. But we don't treat others badly, we treat ourselves. 

Rich Bennett 23:20
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 23:22
And then I say, 'Okay, so they have to often admit, like they treat themselves really badly', and then I say, 'Well, how can you expect anybody to treat you with respect if you don't do that?' 

Rich Bennett 23:40
'Wow, 

and I know a lot of people listen and probably think, 'Well, we have a hell of my rude to myself, which I have some ideas how you can be rude to yourself', but explain that. How can somebody actually be rude to themselves? 

Hanna Kok 24:02
Well, I love telling this story when my son was younger, one of my children was younger, and he was doing homework, and he was struggling with the maths, and math, and he was saying, 'I'm so stupid, I'm so stupid!' I said, 'Ah man, you're so stupid!' And he got so angry with me, and I just said it. I said, because I wanted to make him aware what he was saying to himself, not that I thought he was stupid, and he got so angry with me, I said, 'Well, you just were calling yourself stupid all the time, so I can do it too!' 

Rich Bennett 24:41
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 24:41
That is what happens. People treat us the way we treat ourselves. A good example also is how many people do you know that put themselves last all the time? 

Rich Bennett 24:55
'Yes'. 

Hanna Kok 24:58
Well, how disrespectful is that? Then they get angry that nobody takes them into consideration. 

Now, the key is not to feel guilty about it, because then that is not a solution. The solution is, you think, how do I want to be treated by them? I want them to listen to me. I want them to patient with me, whatever that advice you have for them, and apply that advice to yourself. How can I be more kind to myself? How can I be more patient with myself? How can I encourage myself? I would say if we could treat ourselves the way we treat a young child, 

with that patience and understanding and kindness, the world would be such a lovely place. 

Rich Bennett 25:58
When people do that. When they stop being rude to themselves, when they learn how to forgive, they're going to feel 100% better. Not just emotionally, but I think physically too, because I do believe people that are overweight, this would definitely help them. 

Hanna Kok 26:14
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 26:15
It's 

Hanna Kok 26:15
definitely. 

Rich Bennett 26:15
helped me. It's helped me. 

Hanna Kok 26:17
Definitely because when you're overweight, you have a need, it's a blanket you've got, a need for protection. Building problem is you're trying to protect yourself from yourself. of the 

Rich Bennett 26:32
Most

Hanna Kok 26:32
time, at least you're part of the problem. And again, this is not to make you feel guilty. The first thing to do is to forgive yourself for treating yourself like those others, and for giving yourself for needing others to show you how you've been treating yourself. 

Now forgiveness becomes easy because I'm actually forgiving the reflection in the mirror. 

Rich Bennett 26:59
I'm glad you mentioned the mirror part. So when somebody is forgiving, if they, a lot of times you can't forgive somebody in person, because, you know, like you said before, they're no longer around, you don't want communication with them or anything, that's something that's happened to you because a lot of people don't realize that they think when you're forgiving someone, you can only forgive somebody, but not something, is it always a good practice to look in the mirror and mention what you're forgiving? Because this way, when I think when you're looking at yourself, it just makes it that much stronger. 

Hanna Kok 27:40
Absolutely. Yes, you can do that, that you physically look in the mirror, that you can definitely do that, although I personally don't, it does, it's not needed per se. 

Rich Bennett 27:51
Right. 

Hanna Kok 27:52
But I do want to say, is forgiveness is a private affair? I 

Rich Bennett 27:59
Oh. 

Hanna Kok 28:00
hardly ever talk to the person that I feel I have to forgive or who I have to ask forgiveness for. I don't, 

Rich Bennett 28:10
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 28:10
it's a private affair. I don't go and... ...speak to the mirror in a different 

Rich Bennett 28:18
Right. 

Hanna Kok 28:19
way than you were doing, because remember, those people were showing me how I was treating myself. I don't have to now, like the mirror will show me how I've dressed today. I don't have to forgive the mirror for showing me how I've dressed 

Rich Bennett 28:37
Right. 

Hanna Kok 28:37
today. How I treated myself. I need to forgive myself for treating myself badly, needing that person in my life to show me what I've been doing. Those are the things I forgive myself for. Now there's a whole lot of things that happen when you do. First of all, as I said, you start releasing those toxins from the body, and you definitely have more energy, because a lot of your energy can be taken up by this thing milling in your head. Now you have that life force available, again, to you, to repair the body, to restore the body, for your immune system, and for enjoying life more. Definitely, I've seen that. 

Rich Bennett 29:27
Right. 

Hanna Kok 29:27
And pains disappear. I've seen people heal faster, even if they still need medical treatments, sometimes they do. But they respond much faster. So there's a lot of things happen. 

Rich Bennett 29:41
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Hanna Kok 31:15
I've forgiven myself all the time. 

Rich Bennett 31:18
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 31:18
For little things, but just like, "I forgive myself for not getting something right, for being emotionally upset, for taking things personally, holding on to guilt." And then the big thing is also, and that's why that app also helps so much, 

Rich Bennett 31:41
for 

Hanna Kok 31:41
is to release the guilt and the shame and all of that. You want to let that go? 

Rich Bennett 31:47
All right. And I love asking my guests this, especially since you're helping so many people out. And I know you probably have a ton of feel good stories, but can you share? You don't have to use names. Share one or two, and you already shared one of feel good stories of how you've helped people out with forgiveness? 

Hanna Kok 32:11
Oh yes, definitely. And I'll especially, also, on the hormonal side is one that I 

Rich Bennett 32:16
to 

Hanna Kok 32:17
want 

Rich Bennett 32:17
Yes. 

Hanna Kok 32:17
Do. 

Rich Bennett 32:19
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 32:19
So, and I am allowed to use her name, "Major Yurster" is an army sergeant? A major. I mean, and she 

is struggling with her periods. Really badly. Five to ten days of heavy bleeding. Oh, the veer pain. Now, can you imagine being in the field, without public toilets, or running water, heavy bleeding? 

Rich Bennett 32:47
Oh my 

Hanna Kok 32:48
It's 

Rich Bennett 32:48
God. 

Hanna Kok 32:48
surrounded by men. 

Rich Bennett 32:51
Yes, she had to be miserable. 

Hanna Kok 32:53
She called herself a major from hell. She was green. And then, on top of it, she was also on other medication, which was quite strong and struggling with allergies as well. And then what happened, I worked with her, she used my app and we used forgiveness work. Within three months, just three months, right? No more heavy bleeding, pain gone. Her other medication dropped by 90% in strength. No more energies. 

Rich Bennett 33:34
No more 

Hanna Kok 33:36
allergies. No more allergies. No more allergies. 

She used... I know, I have... So I'm giving the people the hormonal section, but I do have a paid section as well that people can sign up for a small... 

Rich Bennett 33:51
Right. 

Hanna Kok 33:52
Really super affordable. And there, she used that and she got rid of the allergies, even without me doing any coaching first. She just used that for the allergies. And she had been on 

strong medication for nearly 20 years. 

Rich Bennett 34:14
Wow. 

Wow. Did you only work with women? 

Hanna Kok 34:22
No no no. I also have a 

Rich Bennett 34:23
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 34:24
great great story of a guy. So he had a rare blood disorder where he didn't make blood platelets, so his blood wouldn't clot if he would have a wound, right? 

Rich Bennett 34:40
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 34:41
And we then found out that he had experienced vitrail. 

We resolved vitraile, helped him understand why it was in his life. We forgave all partisans involved, and especially himself, he still needed a blood trans, a bone marrow transfusion actually. I could not prevent that. But the doctors were amazed at how fast he recovered, much faster than anybody else that's seen. 

Rich Bennett 35:18
Wow. 

Okay, the allergy part really gets me. And I what you're doing needs to be done everywhere because I'm going to bring something up my so my make sure I get it right. My great niece, her girl scout troop had to 

to get their bronze award they put together a thing talking about different health things like CPR allergies and all that, and she's got the peanut allergy. 

Hanna Kok 35:55
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 35:55
And something that blew me away and I never knew this because now here in the United States, Narcan, a lot of places will give you Narcan for free. Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 36:06
What is Narcan? 

Rich Bennett 36:07
Narcan helps with somebody's overdosing. 

Hanna Kok 36:10
Oh, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 36:11
Yeah, you use an arcane and it bring it hopefully to help them. Um, which you can give for free. However, the one thing which blew me away because when you have an allergy, you know, they prescribed the YEPI pen, which is like $1300 here. It's not cheap. More people die of allergies than overdoses. And I didn't understand why these epipans are not in all restaurants. I think everybody should have one. If that's a case, but my point is you're helping people that have allergies without and they're not using medicine, right? 

Hanna Kok 36:53
Right, but I do want a big disclaimer here. A big. 

Rich Bennett 36:57
Okay, 

Hanna Kok 36:57
because I am not allowed to tell you that I'm going to help you with those anaphylactic allergies, 

Rich Bennett 37:04
but everybody's different. 

Hanna Kok 37:05
Although I did help one lady that accidentally discovered that, um, she got rid of her anaphylactic allergy because she and her husband, so her husband had a rare autoimmune disorder, girion, birrier, or something where you been left paralysed and this was just before covert and they had expensive medication in hospital and then people sent home because of covert. And so they started listening to my allergy app and a specific one for the autoimmune disorders and they listened to it every night for months on end because they're in the paid version. There are a lot of subjects, but you 

Rich Bennett 37:54
can 

Hanna Kok 37:56
start playing around with the the free version on the whole moment, right? They listened to this paid the paid version for months on end and then one day his, so his wife was anaphylactic for honey. Cooked honey, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 38:17
Wow. 

Hanna Kok 38:17
If it was in anything she would get rashes and it could get really bad. And one day she was some sort of biscuit and the husband was looking on the packaging. He says there was honey in this biscuit. She had no reaction. 

Rich Bennett 38:37
Oh wow. Alright, so what would you do? It takes time then. 

Hanna Kok 38:43
Well, it's all about re-educating the subconscious. 

Rich Bennett 38:46
Right. 

Hanna Kok 38:47
And so the, and with the allergies, there's a whole lot of things. It's about not just that you allergic for the peanuts or the honey or something. We are already sensitive for the protein, the calcium, the, all the food groups. We don't absorb them properly because when we have conflict while you're eating something 

and that's why it's so bad to fight at the dinner table. Your body thinks now, oh, it's this food that is causing me to feel so bad and you start to like want to reject, that's how allergies can form. And then you pass it also on to future generations. So in the program that I have, they're often like a 30 day program each day, slightly different re-educating 

Rich Bennett 39:39
Right. 

Hanna Kok 39:40
the body to get into harmony with the food groups. Now with the free version that I give, we go there 10, nine different audios, but the others, as I say, they're 30. But even with the free one, you'll start also noticing that you crave sugarless because that is also like an allergy because when you are allergic to something, you either crave it because what we, in my training, we say anything you have an overreaction to, you either crave it or you can't stand it. Right. So sugar, a lot of us crave it. And I've noticed that since I've been listening to these eye thrives, I don't crave sugar like I used to. I can walk past the check out and all the chocolate bars that they play so nicely at the check out points. No, I can 

Rich Bennett 40:34
I walk past them now too. I used to get yelled at because I do all the grocery shopping, and every time I would get home, I'd wait for a look at the receipt because I see another 

Hanna Kok 40:45
though. 

Rich Bennett 40:45
tricks bar or a kick-cat bar or whatever. And then when I started losing weight by counting my calories and just meditating more than everything else, I know I ignore them. 

Hanna Kok 40:59
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 41:00
I don't want It's just that craving is gone. This act to me, it sounds like it would be a wonderful present as well for people, especially that have allergies and for anything really. 

Hanna Kok 41:18
Yeah, well people can go to iDrive. zone not.com iDrive. zone and then you can sign up there you can read more about it, but also if you sign up for the free version that I'm giving you, then you will also get there something and there is at this stage I still have when you go there you can sign up for free for 35 days. I might change that now because I usually. To do that as my giveaway I've changed it now to this permanent giveaway, but as I said, it is like so affordable, it's around $10 a month, it's so affordable. 

Rich Bennett 41:55
That's cheap. 

Hanna Kok 41:56
That's nothing. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 41:59
a lot cheaper than prescriptions. 

Hanna Kok 42:01
It's 

Rich Bennett 42:04
So, alright, what what advice would you give to someone listening who's struggling to forgive either others or themselves. 

Hanna Kok 42:15
If you struggle to forgive, know that you are trying to poison somebody by drinking the poison yourself. So, forgiveness is for you. If you struggling to forgive, notice how is your health right now, how many aches and pains do you have, how low is your energy. And if you come to a point that you say I've had enough of feeling the way I feel, then it's time to forgive. And again, if you sign up for that free gift, go to hannahcock.com. There is a free forgiveness course in there and I explain to you what we talked about. You can see it there in process there's a process of a giving us process words that I give you. You can use for that forgiveness process as well. 

Rich Bennett 43:08
How long has the app been out? 

Hanna Kok 43:11
Well, it's a web. I've been at it very long. So I've 

Rich Bennett 43:14
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 43:14
been. For a long time, but I haven't been able to, you know, marketing these things. I've been trying to get onto the app store, but that I didn't manage to do that because of the. Requirements that I had. So people said, 

Rich Bennett 43:29
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 43:29
oh, you can use my product and because I have multiple audios, and that have to loop. And you want to combine different audios, those programs, then didn't work for what I wanted. 

Rich Bennett 43:40
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 43:41
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 43:41
All right. So how can someone start reconnecting with their own body and inner wisdom if they feel completely out of sync? 

Hanna Kok 43:50
You know, meditation is always great. However, sometimes we need a coach. 

Rich Bennett 43:59
You 

Hanna Kok 44:01
cannot pull yourself out of a hole or it takes so long. But if you work like a person like me or a choice, a coach of your choice, like I said, I have. Help people get out of their situation within three months, sometimes a one session. It depends on what it is. No athlete would consider getting to the top without a coach. If you doesn't mean there's something wrong with you, it just means that you want to get somewhere. Different from where you are now. You want to raise the bar for yourself and get somebody that knows what they're doing. 

Rich Bennett 44:45
Yes. 

Hanna Kok 44:46
Don't go and listen to everybody else's advice. If they haven't walked their talk, they're not, don't go. You don't go. What do they say? You don't go to the car mechanic to get your teeth done. 

Rich Bennett 45:01
Mm-hmm. 

Hanna Kok 45:02
All right. 

Rich Bennett 45:04
You think about it, how, before we started recording, I told you I was messaging somebody, one of my, somebody that I mentor. You know, a lot of people have mentors. 

There's nothing wrong with having a coach as well. And I think people, 

technically, in a way, depending on who you're talking to, sometimes they're coaching you. You don't even know it. But if you have a coach that knows what they're doing to make something different, a huge difference, which is why you all need to get a hold of handle. What you're 

Hanna Kok 45:36
Absolutely. 

Rich Bennett 45:36
saying? 

Hanna Kok 45:37
And also, especially if people struggle with forgiveness. 

Rich Bennett 45:41
Yes. 

Hanna Kok 45:42
There is, 

Rich Bennett 45:42
and I think a lot of people do and 

Hanna Kok 45:44
realize, 

Rich Bennett 45:44
don't 

Hanna Kok 45:44
yeah, yeah, they don't. And one of the things we don't realize is all the childhood trauma that we carry. We either carry it consciously or subconsciously. It's shaped us tremendously. And I've developed a techniques that when I work with a client, we, instead of taking, 10 sessions for one issue. So rehashing it, I don't do that. We do revisit. But we might revisit three things in one session. It's about reframing, forgiving, letting go. 

Rich Bennett 46:22
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 46:23
Letting go. 

Rich Bennett 46:24
Letting 

Hanna Kok 46:25
go is the most important thing. 

Rich Bennett 46:27
And I'm glad you brought up trauma in your view. How are, let's say, unresolved trauma and chronic health issues connected, 

Hanna Kok 46:40
connected. They are directly connected, directly because If you have, like I said, if you have a strong emotional 

Rich Bennett 46:50
reaction

ehm, uh-hmm. 

Hanna Kok 46:52
Did you know it actually leaves a mark on the brain? And then you have to be trained to see it. I- you can see it with CT scans. 

Rich Bennett 47:03
Right. 

Hanna Kok 47:14
Uh, if you have separation conflicts, issues with, it will affect the skin, but if you have what they call, uhm, nest-wary conflict, where you feel like somebody was ripped from the family or you trying to nurture somebody back to health and you're not able, then you end up with breast cancer. Each illness has specific things, but childhood trauma also, will affect what type of relationship you end up attracting. So if you've been a feel abandoned by your father, you will attract a man in your life that is going to be that infamous, narcissistic person that people love talking about, but the 

Rich Bennett 48:03
uhm, 

Hanna Kok 48:03
funny thing is, when you resolve the trauma, I've seen it with my clients. The abuse stops naturally and you don't always have to get a divorce or separation. 

Rich Bennett 48:17
The other thing is, too, because we cover addiction a lot on here and 

Hanna Kok 48:22
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 48:23
a lot of times, people that are in addiction, it's from the childhood 

Hanna Kok 48:28
trauma. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 48:30
uhm, men, guys, because actually those listening, because some people listening to this episode may not listen to the ones that we, where we talk about people in recovery, what role does trauma play in addiction, or hormonal imbalances, especially in women? 

Hanna Kok 48:55
I don't know about especially in women, but the whole thing is, if you have an unresolved trauma, it's like a hole in your heart. 

Rich Bennett 49:03
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 49:05
And yes, if you feel unlovable, if you feel worthless, anything like that, and 

yeah, then you're going to struggle with addictions, definitely. And if you resolve it, then overcoming addiction is a breeze, relative breeze. 

Rich Bennett 49:26
And do you actually work with people that are in addiction? 

Hanna Kok 49:29
Yes, yes. 

Rich Bennett 49:30
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 49:30
And actually, with my eye thrives, I have also, because the eye thrives have like, or more different subjects, and 

Rich Bennett 49:39
12 

Hanna Kok 49:39
one of them is overcame addictions, and just for people listening to the eye thrives, they stop smoking, they drink less. 

Rich Bennett 49:48
right, wait a minute. What doesn't the eye thrive 

Hanna Kok 49:50
All 

Rich Bennett 49:50
cover? 

Hanna Kok 49:53
There's a wide range of topics there. You're going to have 

Rich Bennett 49:57
Wow. 

Hanna Kok 49:57
to, 

Rich Bennett 49:58
Mental health, everything is like, wow. 

Hanna Kok 50:01
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 50:01
So what's one thing you wish every person knew about the relationship between emotions and physical health? 

Hanna Kok 50:11
I want people to know that emotions, people think their thoughts are private, and their emotions are private. But they forget that they have, depending if you are a man or a woman, between 26 trillion or 36 trillion listeners. Your cells are listening and feeling everything you feel, hearing every thought that you have, and will respond to it. 

Rich Bennett 50:45
Mmm. I...Henry, you ready for this question? 

Hanna Kok 50:51
I hope 

Rich Bennett 50:52
so. This is a deep question. 

Hanna Kok 50:54
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 50:56
What's your definition of true well-being? 

Hanna Kok 51:02
True well-being 

is that we accept ourselves as we are, words and all, and that we have some sort of connection with the divine. 

Rich Bennett 51:19
It didn't take you long to think of that either. 

I love that answer. All right. So before I get to my last question, which I have no idea what it's going to be, 

you will understand why in a minute. Is there anything you would like to add? All the websites and everything and how people can get in touch with you? 

Hanna Kok 51:40
Well, really change starts within. 

It can start with a chat with me. I offer a free chat as well. Well, if people want assistance, so if they sign up, they will get emails from me with links if they want to sign up for a free chat. Nothing is going to change unless you change from the inside. Change is an inside job, so. Don't wait for external stuff to change. 

Rich Bennett 52:12
And what are...what are all the links for the websites? 

Hanna Kok 52:16
Well, the main thing is go to hennacock.com. 

Rich Bennett 52:19
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 52:20
From there, they will know- they will hear more about the eye thrives, but they can go to eye thrived or to zone. I think those are, or enough. 

Rich Bennett 52:29
are. 

Hanna Kok 52:29
Those two 

It's 

Rich Bennett 52:49
a good way to get, because a lot of times when you're going out on several different other podcasts to offer what you're offering, you're reaching more, more listeners and say if you were just doing it just on your podcast alone. 

Hanna Kok 53:04
Exactly. 

Rich Bennett 53:05
And credit me from wrong, but you've also written some books as well. 

Hanna Kok 53:09
I have written a book, Happy Ever After Make Your Relationships Flourish, 

Rich Bennett 53:14
but- Ooh! 

Hanna Kok 53:16
Yes, I actually have it here, but I'm busy rewriting it. That's why I have it here. I'm rewriting it so wait, it should come, a new one should come out towards the end of the year or early- 

Rich Bennett 53:28
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 53:29
Cool, bitter or better, it's your choice, and it's- 

Rich Bennett 53:33
Ah, I love that. 

Hanna Kok 53:36
And it's a guy too, living happily ever after or a guy too happy ever after living. Something like that, it's only be the second edition, a lot more information in it, so rather wait, well, you can get it on Amazon, but rather wait till the next one comes out. 

Rich Bennett 53:50
Okay. So for my last question, and like I said, I have no idea what it's going to be, I started something different, and I have 100 different questions here, and somehow or another, in my guest, whatever number they've picked, somehow or another, most of the time the question aligns of what we've been talking about. So, I need you to pick a number between one and 100, and tell me why you picked that number, that way I have enough time to look for the question. 

Hanna Kok 54:24
Oh, okay, um, okay, because of the number that I would have chosen is not in there, well, I would have chosen one one eight, that is a special number for me, so let me go with 11. 

hmm, because I used to, that used to be my post box number in Lesotus, then I moved 

Rich Bennett 54:44
118, 

Hanna Kok 54:44
to 

Rich Bennett 54:44
okay, 

Hanna Kok 54:44
another area that had, um, then the plot number I used to live on was also 118, and then later I learned, well, 11 is their angel numbers and and the 8 is about prosperity, so I like 118, but I'll go with 1111. 

Rich Bennett 55:02
Okay, oh, look at this, I was looking at number 18, go back up to number 11, right? 

Hanna Kok 55:09
I 

Rich Bennett 55:09
Okay. 

Hanna Kok 55:10
was thinking about the two, if you're at 18, give me 18. 

Rich Bennett 55:14
Okay, I'll give you 8, okay, oh, okay, what's the simple pleasure in life that you believe is often overlooked? 

Hanna Kok 55:26
Simple pleasure in life that's often overlooked. 

Just being with people that you love. You can sit together, don't have to say anything. Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 55:43
I agree with you 100% and with that, bring back the family dinners 

Hanna Kok 55:51
oh, yes, 

Rich Bennett 55:51
and have, 

Hanna Kok 55:52
definitely sit down without TV on, 

Rich Bennett 55:56
yeah and if all the kids are growing up, invite them over for dinner. It's the only way I can get my son to come over to house now. 

Hanna Kok 56:07
My husband and I, okay, we always sit down for dinner. 

Rich Bennett 56:13
Yeah, my wife and I do too. We'll sit down together and now it's funny because, don't yell at me, but we'll put the, we'll put the TV on, but there's certain shows we watch, and we'll sit there and talk about the show and we're so connected with this and here's the funny thing. One of them is a baking show and we've both been losing weight. It's like, God, the cake looks very good and it's almost like it's feeding us, but we're not making the cake. Does that make sense? 

Hanna Kok 56:53
The having virtual cake, 

Rich Bennett 56:55
you know, yes. 

Hanna Kok 56:57
You know, many, many years ago, I mean, I was like a child and I went to, with school, we went to a play, And then they were talking about this guy and made wind cookies, so wind biscuits in the play. So, when my husband sometimes asked, well, what did you make for breakfast because I don't make breakfast? I said, oh, I made you some wind eggs and wind toast and so, but that's what you're basically doing, you're having a wind cake, you're just 

Rich Bennett 57:29
yeah. 

Hanna Kok 57:30
looking at it, you're enjoying it, the memory of it and you don't have to eat 

Rich Bennett 57:35
The 

Hanna Kok 57:35
it. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 57:36
funny thing is, after we watch these, sometimes we'll be like, well, wait a minute, how can we make that, but where it's healthier for us? So I've done stuff like I've made cottage cheese ice cream. 

Yeah, it's better for you. And what was the other thing we, um, although this wasn't too good. I made, I think I made a cake and I use that powder egg substitute. Yeah, it was nasty. It was nasty. So I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll never do that again. But even like, we were talking about how the kick at in the tricks bar that the chocolate allow. I made chocolate brownies out of black beans 

and they're all they were delicious. Now look at it. You see, I'm talking food because it's lunchtime here. 

Hanna Kok 58:28
Okay. Well, it's, it's supper time here, and nearly so. 

Rich Bennett 58:31
Oh, Hannah, I want to thank you so much. It's been a true honor. And now for the books, they, or the book they can actually, they'll be able to get them from the website as well, right? 

Hanna Kok 58:41
Well, I think with the book, I say, please sign up for the I thrives, the, 

Rich Bennett 58:46
Yeah. 

Hanna Kok 58:46
the gift that I have. And then when the book comes out, you'll hear all about it. 

Rich Bennett 58:51
And those of you listening, when you do sign up for the app and you've tried it, we know you're going to subscribe to it. Let me know what you thought about it. Leave comments, you know, in the, wherever you listen to the podcast at, or on the Facebook page, Instagram page, whatever. And actually let Hannah know as well. Hannah, thanks so much. 

Hanna Kok 59:17
Thank you so much for this opportunity. I had a wonderful time being here. And again, for the listeners, thank you for being here all this time. 

Rich Bennett 59:25
Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 59:26
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