Visibility, Trauma, and Triumph with Jenny C. Cohen

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Rich Bennett 0:27
Today's guest brings a kind of presence you feel before she even says a word. Jenny C. Cohen is a visibility and embodiment master who helps high-achieve in entrepreneurs over 40, step into a bold, soul-ed version of themselves. The version that doesn't hide, doesn't shrink, and doesn't apologize for taking up space. She created the spotlight confidence formula, a signature method that turns the fear of being seen into magnetic leadership, and ground itself trust. But that's just the surface. Jenny's journey stretches from her days as an award-winning dancer, you may know her as a liar, Jenny, to becoming a global movement expert, an integrative neuro-somatic practitioner, a multi-time number-one international best-selling author, and the host of the Dance to Heal Podcast, which ranks in the top 10% real-wide. She speaks of humor, heart, and hard-earned wisdom, poem from her experiences in elite sports, leadership, entrepreneurship, cancer-sur-vivorship, parenting, Asian-American identity, marriage, and yes, even fallstream kittens. She shows people what it means to tell the truth with their whole body, not just their words. If you're someone who's been playing small, someone who feels like you're meant for more but haven't stepped into the spotlight yet, then this conversation is going to hit home. And if you want to experience more of Jenny's work, including access to a one-hour cardio-dance and somatic stretch session, hit the dance-enheal.com, again, that's dance-enheal.com. So, Jenny, first of all, welcome, and I've been waiting for this, and I have to tell you this. 

I went and watched your videos of you dancing, and oh my god, I was blown away. Talking about, you know, mentioning how you talk of your body, the way you dance, it just, you can feel all the different emotions. At one point, I mean, I had tears in my eyes. But those of you listening, just, I mean, going YouTube and just search for a lie of Jenny, and telling you, you'll be blown away even in the music video she did as well. But seriously, I mean, I just, I was like, wow, I've never really, I mean, I like dance, but I've always like watched tap. Yeah, while Sammy Davis Jr. I love Gregory Hines, and all that. But the way you were doing it, it kind of, and crept me from wrong here, it's like you took belly-dancing, mixed with jazz, mixed with hip-hop, mixed with ballet. And it was just so beautiful. And the outfits. Oh my god. Well, I mean, my first question for you is, how did you get into that? Because it's just, like I said, it's beautiful. 

Jenny C. Cohen 4:00
Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Rich. I'm so honored to be here on your podcast. First of all, and thank you audience for tuning into this episode. When I discovered the art of belly dance that's more based out in the US and our genre is more American cabaret, I found a teacher, and the only night my husband could get home early enough from New York City was Monday nights, and those were the advanced classes. 

Rich Bennett 4:24
Oh, 

Jenny C. Cohen 4:25
So 

Rich Bennett 4:25
wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 4:25
I got thrown into a class that they already knew 18 choreographies, and I'm here, this mom of two, almost four year olds, they used to make, well, they may fund me in a good-natured way that I showed up with like a baseball cap like you're wearing today. Dirty, greasy hair pulled back, and my shoulders were pulled down and forward because I was just chasing a little kids around. Probably started learning this art form that has so much behind it. The thing is, I'm, I love hip-hop, 

Rich Bennett 4:54
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 4:55
and I have a background in contemporary and belly. and so, since I've been studying since 2002, I was able to mesh those three into telling stories, and for me, I have a lot of personal experience with what I'm dancing about, or doing the story about, but I want it to be about universal theme. 

Rich Bennett 5:15
Yes. 

Jenny C. Cohen 5:28
I was thinking, wow, they're so powerful, they could reach almost through the TV screen and grab our attention, and I was like, bawling, and I wanted to dance like that. I want some of you to see a video, and feel that they're not alone. Like, I totally understand, 

Rich Bennett 5:42
right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 5:42
Feeling? And you're not alone. Like, we're never alone, we just think we're alone, but we're really all still connected, connected energetically. And then I saw that same couple dancing on stage, live. So, I was bleaching nose bleats, and I felt the same emotion, and I went, that's how I want to perform and tell stories. So that's my, my measure for, for every 

Rich Bennett 6:04
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 6:04
performance. Because for me, it's never about, oh, Jenny's on the stage, it's, who can I feel, who can feel less alone, even one person in 

Rich Bennett 6:12
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 6:12
the audience that knows, hey, I know. I know what you struggle with the late at night, when, you know, you're struggling to take a breath, or struggling to plan what are you going to do in the future, or if you've lost hope, I want people to be like, you're not alone. And that's why I tell my stories. 

Rich Bennett 6:30
Well, and the thing is, you connect with the crowd. I noticed that when you were dancing, you're always looking out into the crowd, and you're like, I don't even know if it's, if you could see them, because a lot of times the lights are so bright, you really can't see anything. But it's like you're pointing it to certain people, you're blowing kisses and everything. And it's, oh, yeah. I'm, I'm, I was just, it, you tell a story when you dance, and you hit every emotion of people. And anybody that into crowd was going, crazy. I'm the memory phrase that the crowds, because of all the different videos, we're going crazy. I mean, they were cheering you on big time. 

Jenny C. Cohen 7:13
Yeah, yeah. But the crowds are very generous, very, very generous, because for. 

a missing link for 

Rich Bennett 7:22
There's 

Jenny C. Cohen 7:22
performers of any level. Okay, is that there's energy exchange, because I'm very grateful for the audience to be there, because otherwise I would dance in my 

Rich Bennett 7:30
room. 

Jenny C. Cohen 7:31
Right. Right. I mean, it's an unspoken contract that someone's there of their own free will to watch me and give me their time and attention. I want to take that energy, like, change it and give it back. So there's an exchange of energy on the stage. And that's what I want people to know. That that's why I dance the way I do, because I'm very aware of that energetic transfer back and forth between me and the audience, and then back to me and then back to them. Yeah, thank you for seeing 

Rich Bennett 8:04
that. You can feel it when you watch, because you watch other dance videos. You don't see the crowd, at least I haven't heard the crowd going that crazy. And it's like they just connected with, you're right. It's like the energy going back and forth. They're feeding off of you, you're feeding off of them. And it just keeps getting stronger and stronger. Who did the outfits for you because those are outstanding as well. 

Jenny C. Cohen 8:28
Some of the outfits were pre-bought, and some of them I just put together myself because I tried sewing in the beginning 

Rich Bennett 8:33
right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 8:34
Rich, my fingers had too many holes and there was too much blood on my costumes. So I was like, I'm not doing this. No more. I have a chip in my tooth. I'm trying to pull the needle. Abrac. I'm telling you, I was like, no, we're not doing this anymore. That we're done. Like stop. I once took a workshop from a professional costumer in New York City. And we're really good friends. She's now in Germany, but I kind of wanted to hear the entire hour and a half. And she's like, you can't do this. Can you just send them out? I'm like, that's fine. I'm gonna make them professionally. I'm like, oh, this is a pain of the butt. Like basically wanting the entire 90 

Rich Bennett 9:09
What? 

Jenny C. Cohen 9:09
minutes. It's like 

Rich Bennett 9:11
I noticed the one that you wore on stage. It looks, I guess it was a peacock supposed to resemble a peacock. The the road and everything, but you also wore in the music video as well. 

Jenny C. Cohen 9:23
Yes, that is a special order made by a designer who's no longer in business. 

Rich Bennett 9:27
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 9:28
And what I did was I added AB crystals to all the eyes of the feather so that glitter on stage. Yeah. And I bought that because in 2014, I wanted my very first contest and then I was invited to go to Germany hand over. That 

Rich Bennett 9:46
to 

Jenny C. Cohen 9:46
was part of my winnings to compete and perform in their gallows show. And that was part of the costuming that I put together for that. 

Rich Bennett 9:53
All right, so something that people listen to may not know it because you're an award-winning dancer, but You were dancing before you were diagnosed with cancer and then doring and then even afterwards. That 

Jenny C. Cohen 10:09
it was Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 10:10
it's strong. 

Jenny C. Cohen 10:10
I know listen, I okay, so I have key she rose From my treatment who were working full-time jobs and managing children 

Rich Bennett 10:21
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 10:21
and I I had 16 cycles of chemo Surgery 35 cycles like the treatments of radiation radiation they do every day but 35 of those and then another year of infusion So they had to put it in and 

I did my dancing for two reasons two big reasons one To give my family a break 

Rich Bennett 10:42
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 10:42
because I didn't want them looking at how sick I was I got really sick like you see me vibrant. I know we're doing audio But like I I'm almost aging backward now has I recover Right But I look a little I look like a little old Asian man when I was down with my treatment It was terrible. I was so depleted because they kind of have to kill you to 

Rich Bennett 11:02
right 

Jenny C. Cohen 11:02
save you They can't tell the chemo oh just go after the cancer goes after everything in your body, right? So um, I took the break so my family couldn't see me so debilitated because you're there things like chemoregia's 

Rich Bennett 11:17
All 

Jenny C. Cohen 11:17
up 

Rich Bennett 11:17
that 

Jenny C. Cohen 11:17
and uh like right 

Rich Bennett 11:19
know 

Jenny C. Cohen 11:19
you 

Rich Bennett 11:19
Yeah, my mother went through 

Jenny C. Cohen 11:20
Any 

Rich Bennett 11:20
it. Why 

Jenny C. Cohen 11:22
chemo is right and then there's uh Nerve damage to your hands and feet most people wear cold gloves, but I also have a cold intolerance So even if they had given that to me in the past I wouldn't have used it because My hands would hurt too much from the So I like I I would drop mugs or um I would accidentally step over something and kick the wall and break a toe and I wouldn't feel the outside pain I only feel the bone pain. That's how bad it felt like I was wearing Ten pairs of woolen socks that were all wrinkled inside each other. That's how bad the neuropathy's were so I didn't want the family to see that like my legs were swelling and then I had good friends or I would travel via plane To to dance events and I noticed again That energy exchange I could be in a dance Ballroom full of dancers not be physically 

Rich Bennett 12:09
dancing right 

Jenny C. Cohen 12:10
just sit there and feel replenished in my energy like I I wasn't an energy vampire I wasn't sucking the energy But I could feel the exchange the energy between all the dancers between me Because I was dancing how much as I could like 

Rich Bennett 12:23
Yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 12:23
as I would just be dancing in the chair I'd be doing just the arm movements or just the feet movements Because if I went to a dance event and I was gonna perform I had to make a choice like in my gun perform today or am I gonna just take one workshop and then go lie down and then go Support the other dancers and the other shows So because I was an occupational therapist rich before my kids were born and there is an awareness of how much energy I really had Like the spoon story, 

Rich Bennett 12:49
Yeah 

Jenny C. Cohen 12:49
you know So like you you wake up every morning with like 10 spoons and every single thing you do require the spoon like what you decide to have for breakfast Take the spoon So I would have to ration my spoons throughout the day and still leave enough spoons left to perform 

Rich Bennett 13:03
Wow, but I I would think even everything you're going through and just that energy around you had to lift you up and make you feel better 

Jenny C. Cohen 13:15
Dancing is one of the few if not only times I felt like one I was Connected with God right And two I felt safe. 

Rich Bennett 13:25
Wow. I so 

Jenny C. Cohen 13:27
because I yeah 

Rich Bennett 13:28
got no go ahead Well 

Jenny C. Cohen 13:32
I did not realize how not in my body. I normally am okay I couldn't Access my body during the cancer treatment and then in recovery I Didn't think that when I won in 2014 

Rich Bennett 13:47
Until 

Jenny C. Cohen 13:47
I deserved it. So I kept competing and even in recovery and even through the end of my treatment after the last year I was still competing and then I thought oh, well, those were pity wins people felt bad for me. That's why I 

Rich Bennett 13:59
That's 

Jenny C. Cohen 13:59
won 

Rich Bennett 13:59
why you wanted to keep doing it 

Jenny C. Cohen 14:01
So then I kept and then I competed one more time right before the Panini the 

Rich Bennett 14:05
right 

Jenny C. Cohen 14:05
COVID But before the lockdown I competed again and I and I I won't hate like I won by a wide margin Wow So that kind of let me know you're successful and you're because I originally competed rich because I wanted to know Square wise from people that were in sugarcoat. Oh, you look so cute in your costume I really want to know was my story getting across because they'll you know They'll give you points on on costuming Music choice and technique that you might be saying what your dance is based on okay And I would take what what everyone was saying and the the things that we're contradicting and withdraw out because it didn't make any sense like one person once ...so many these competitions are they'll like the judges. So their talking has your dancing and then you get that recording mesh with your performance. So, if someone says to me, "Oh, you know, I really like this part." 

I remember one person once was judging me and she didn't understand my costume. It's like I thought fusion belly dance had to have like some other costume. You look like you're wearing a traditional costume. 

Rich Bennett 15:25
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:25
It turned out she never judged fusion before. I still won that competition. But it was really interesting. I gave me feedback. So, when I first started really studying intensely, I had a teacher named Mira. I thought that's who said, "Listen, everything whether or not you intended to be will be judged 

Rich Bennett 15:43
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:43
once in the public unless you're dancing naked in your shower." you right? Or after you get out and you naked a lot of 

Rich Bennett 15:50
That's 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:50
people 

Rich Bennett 15:50
gonna 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:50
dance 

Rich Bennett 15:50
save 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:51
naked 

Rich Bennett 15:51
my look. I would 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:51
at the show. 

Rich Bennett 15:52
slip before the show. 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:55
right after, 

Rich Bennett 15:56
Or 

Jenny C. Cohen 15:56
we feel like really happy and free. We energetically cleanse ourselves so we feel really light. More often than people dancing naked after the show, just you know. Anyways, most of the time when we're dancing in public on a performance, even if you're a hobby dancer, there's some judgment or some interpretation what's happening. It's one thing if you decide to make a costume and then dance to a song that completely doesn't make any sense. 

Rich Bennett 16:26
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 16:27
And that's a conscious choice because you want the audience to feel something versus you didn't even think about it. 

Rich Bennett 16:34
Say and that's just... 

Jenny C. Cohen 16:35
You don't even 

Rich Bennett 16:36
Yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 16:36
care. 

Rich Bennett 16:37
the way you 

Jenny C. Cohen 16:38
Right. 

Rich Bennett 16:38
are doing it, it's because even the instrumentals, you are telling the story. Don't know if that's what the composer meant but then again songs have different meanings for everybody and you were doing it. You were telling a story and it just... It was mind blowing. 

Jenny C. Cohen 16:58
You rich. 

Rich Bennett 16:58
It was mind 

Jenny C. Cohen 16:59
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 16:59
blowing. 

Jenny C. Cohen 16:59
I do have to credit my teachers. One of my original teachers, Osmara, who's based out in Westchester County. She was always talking about how your body tells the story of the music and that's how I first really started learning my former version of fusion because of her teachings because she was doing more traditional dance, which isn't always have a story. 

Rich Bennett 17:20
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 17:21
Traditional 

traditional like Middle Eastern music. Some of them do, but we can't connect to it because it's not our culture. We don't really know. So she was just being like, you have to be expressing this instrument or that instrument or that drum that comes in, are you sure that you're reflecting? Are you directing their attention to it for the audience? 

Rich Bennett 17:41
You know, and I think that's what makes you stand out because come to think of it when you say that and I'm thinking of tap and all these other types of dances and it's like your body is another instrument. You're with you. That's not the case. Your body's not the instrument. It's the storyteller. And you're telling the story, which is completely different. And you think of tap. How many times do you watch somebody doing tap and all of a sudden? You know, they go to their solo, which is part of the song. But oh, wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 18:14
Yes. He has a thing. He has a kicker. Ready? Ready? Hold on to you. Hold on to your handles. Everyone's telling a story with their body. 

Rich Bennett 18:26
Oh, yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 18:27
yeah. Whether or not you're aware of it, they call that body language. And there's another layer to it. So everything that's ever happened to your life is reflected in your body. Your body is holding those memories. Your body is telling that story either to yourself, people around you. Your life story. So it's happening whether or not people are 

Rich Bennett 18:49
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 18:49
aware of it and I just want y'all to understand that. I stuck all of my music. I listened to three to four months before I start cutting and putting together the story. 

Rich Bennett 18:59
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 19:01
So I really know the music. My first sort of belly dance in that first class, you know, the Monday night advanced class. You know, where I put it on. There were 18 songs I played on VP and some of them had actual lyrics in Arabic. My kids were singing it because I played it so much. They didn't know what they were singing, but they could say all the lyrics. Because I've been listening to it over and over so that my, my body, which everyone knows. Well, maybe not, so I, I pause. And so I know all made of atoms that vibrate to frequency of sound. Right? So if I play it and play it, then it becomes something that my body is listening to and reacting. Even if I'm sitting still, you too, everybody, you're reacting to it. 

Rich Bennett 19:46
Interesting. Wow. Alright. So, it's something I-I have to know this. When you were dying, no, uh, creep me out from all of it, is it breast cancer? 

Jenny C. Cohen 19:56
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 19:56
Alright. So, when you were dying, no, with breast cancer, and you decided you were going to keep dancing, what was your husband's and the kids' reactions to that? 

Jenny C. Cohen 20:06
Okay. Well, first of all, I to give you some context. Okay. Okay. Alright. So, uhm, the month before, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. My husband got a bowel obstruction. 

Rich Bennett 20:21
Oh God. 

Jenny C. Cohen 20:22
Yeah, bowel obstruction's no joke. 

Rich Bennett 20:24
No. 

Jenny C. Cohen 20:24
Be bad. Like, and the bowel obstruction is 2014, okay? The bowel obstruction was from 19 years before when he got to seek 

Rich Bennett 20:35
a cancer 26. 

Jenny C. Cohen 20:38
At 26? At 26, he got to seek a cancer, and not the good kind. Not 

Rich Bennett 20:41
good... 

Jenny C. Cohen 20:41
that this isn't a 

Rich Bennett 20:42
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 20:42
But he got the really fast growing. They were like, 'We need surgery immediately. We can't, we can't, like, so they, they, they, he was showering, and he was about to, it was August. He had older brother that passed away at 26, and he kept getting this premonition. He wasn't going to live until he was 26.' 

Rich Bennett 21:01
Oh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:02
And he was like, showering and felt like, well, why is my testicle like a little bit hard? 

Rich Bennett 21:07
Oh 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:07
And we call the doctor, and the doctors were like, 'Get in here now.' Like, 'Get in here now.' Don't, like this is, because you, I guess sometimes, maybe I'm wrong, but my husband said to me, like, sometimes I'm really excited when their testicles get bigger, but that's not a good thing 

Rich Bennett 21:20
shit. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:20
for those. 

Rich Bennett 21:20
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:20
Like, that, that it shouldn't be changing. It shouldn't be getting harder. It shouldn't be getting bigger. That's, that's a, 

Rich Bennett 21:25
That's a nut. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:25
not a good thing unless you 

Rich Bennett 21:26
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:26
put it. That's a no-no, right? And he went in, and the doctor was like, 'Let's do a, you know, a biopsy.' And they pulled the whole testicle out. And then when they chopped, you know, the he's this surgery, and they chopped it up and went, 'This is a very, very fast growing cancer.' 

Rich Bennett 21:43
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:44
So right now, because they did all the MRIs, and they were like, 'You need to go to a sperm bank now, before we do the second surgery, because you probably won't be having kids naturally. You'll have to go through IVF.' 

Rich Bennett 21:55
Damn. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:55
So what, married, like, um, like, a little over two years? 

Rich Bennett 21:59
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 21:59
And we're like, what the, what? So then we, we had to go to a sperm bank. So my mother-in-law, because my mother-in-law had to drive into the city from Long Island. I couldn't drive. I wasn't really, I didn't have my road, my road skills yet. I, I can do that now, but not back then. We were very young, in 20, 26 actually. And, um, so, Mike, and I walk into the sperm bank with my mother-in-law and, and the guy's like, okay, come back with the lady. Come back with me. And he's like, he's horrified. You said a sperm bank. And he's like, come with me. I'm like, ah, all right. I'll go with you. And she gives him a little specimen for me. I 

Rich Bennett 22:35
um, 

Jenny C. Cohen 22:36
love the story. And we walk into this darkened room with a giant TV in corner and an arm chair with like the doc just paper over it. And there's porn everywhere. And the mood lighting with the green, you know, the green lamps. And, and he just looked at me and I looked at him and there was all this like, all the videos with all the porn videos. And I was like, honey, this is one time I don't care who you have to fantasize about. And then I left. You have full permission. Whatever 

Rich Bennett 23:09
to get 

Jenny C. Cohen 23:09
you need to do out. And I was going on. 

Rich Bennett 23:16
I'm 

Jenny C. Cohen 23:18
not in here with you for this one. 

Rich Bennett 23:19
I don't even think I'd be able to do that just to know in the fact that my mother's out there. 

Jenny C. Cohen 23:26
Oh, so I'm out there with my mother-in-law, right? And then an older gentleman, like an older gentleman. Like you look older than you've got to be like your Santa, like you look older than Santa. 

Rich Bennett 23:36
Wow! 

Jenny C. Cohen 23:37
A little boy. He comes in with a little boy and my mother-in-law's like, oh my God, your grandson's so cute. And the guy's like, that's my son. And I'm like, woman, we're at a sperm bed. 

Did you not connect the dots like? And then we have to be able to be waiting. And we have another 20 while my husband was in the little room. 

Rich Bennett 23:57
Wow. Oh my God. 

Jenny C. Cohen 23:59
telling you. 

Rich Bennett 24:00
I'm 

Jenny C. Cohen 24:00
So anyways, so fast forward 19 years later, we have two fraternal twins through Invietro, okay? And he out of the blue, he gets, she gets this. Oh, I hope you don't hear my dogs. 

Rich Bennett 24:12
Oh, that's okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 24:13
I have a lot of pets. Okay, great. He gets his bowel obstruction. And we thought was gas. Because after that first surgery for the cancer, 

Rich Bennett 24:20
Mmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 24:21
he would always get gas 

Rich Bennett 24:22
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 24:22
problems. Gas pills. And we thought oh, just give him an IV with gas things and then he'd be fine. They're like, no, you have no bowel sounds. So we have to put an NG tube in. And then all of a sudden he's like going in for emergency surgery by a neurovascular surgeon for like seven hours. 

Rich Bennett 24:40
Good 

Jenny C. Cohen 24:40
It's like 

Rich Bennett 24:40
Lord. 

Jenny C. Cohen 24:40
under. Yeah. So I'm stressed about F out because our son had just been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. 

Rich Bennett 24:48
Oh my god! 

Jenny C. Cohen 24:49
Years ago, right? So now I'm I'm one of those kind of die-hard like if you're in the hospital because I was an occupational therapist. I won't leave you alone. 

Rich Bennett 24:58
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 25:00
At night, I will not leave you alone. I will be by your bedside. But back then, they didn't want family there. So I had to pull two visitors chairs together with sleeping on two chairs while in the CPS. My kids are legal so you can't take me to jail. But my kids are in my husband's Subaru sleeping with the car running all night in our two dogs because remember my son has type 1. 

Rich Bennett 25:26
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 25:27
So I had to make sure my husband's system was a weak, he was in the hospital. 

Every night at two, three o'clock in the morning and go downstairs to the car that I was running with my two 14, 12 year, 13-year-olds? 14-year-olds. 

Rich Bennett 25:43
Mhm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 25:44
I want to wear that. They were really young though. 13-year-olds, yeah, he got it when he was 10. Checked my son's blood sugar. Make sure he was okay or if he was low, wake him up and have him have juice. The dogs are in the car with them and go back up and make sure my husband was all right. Okay. So and at the same time, we also have some issues with my my my laws, like it was really bad, really bad. Rich, really bad. I had to put my husband on like a not list him so they couldn't it was bad. So I have them screaming at me. My kids are in the car. My husband's emergency bottle obstruction surgery out of the blue. So to answer your original question, but the time he came home, right? 

Rich Bennett 26:22
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 26:23
I was like, I need to go to dance class. They're like, we'll see you soon. Because I've been so much stress dealing with that. And then when I got the one my husband was actually, I think he was really surprised that I went to Germany anyways, but I had to. 

Rich Bennett 26:37
Right. Because 

Jenny C. Cohen 26:38
when it was a lot of money, like in the international flight. And there was something in me saying, you need to go. There's a part of you that need to have the experience. I never to nationally by myself. And I went out there had a great time. I played second winner about of like nine really skilled dancers. And I gave them the wrong music. 

Rich Bennett 26:57
Oh God. 

Jenny C. Cohen 26:59
I was so stressed about competing against all these really good dancers. I performed Saturday night. Sunday is the competition. I give them the wrong CD. 

Rich Bennett 27:10
So 

Jenny C. Cohen 27:11
they're doing this introduction of this other song. And then also my music from the Gallow starts playing. And I'm like, this is not my music. They're not going to stop it. I was going to. So I just performed my gallop performance and still play second winner. 

Rich Bennett 27:25
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 27:25
Well, it's like I would have won them thing if I had gotten my music for competition. But then I came home and I found this lump. And I'm like, what's up? Oh, come on. Because I have me such a splash in Europe. They were going to start featuring me in festivals out there. But now I have to do breast cancer treatment. So my family's like, okay, did you want to go? Oh, you want to go here? That's fine. Who's going to drive you? Because as I went through treatment, I got weaker and weaker. 

Rich Bennett 27:49
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 27:49
So then I had to have more and more people help me, you know, just to travel. But it was never a where you're going. It was more like, okay, they realize I needed the dance to keep having hope. Rich it's. I'm not going to. It really sucks to go cancer treatment. 

Rich Bennett 28:10
Oh, yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 28:10
People are like, you still brave your warrior. No, I don't want to be brave. I don't want to be a warrior. I just want 

Rich Bennett 28:15
nobody wants to go through that. 

Jenny C. Cohen 28:18
Right. And it was terrible. 

Rich Bennett 28:19
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 28:20
It was just sucked ass. Like really. And so going to dancing being in the energy would kind of help my will to live come back. 

Rich Bennett 28:29
Because 

Jenny C. Cohen 28:30
I do remember one point in the middle of chemo, which in some of it, one of the chemos is this bright red, and they called red death. They call the red death and make sure pee turn pink within 20 minutes of you, you being injected with 

Rich Bennett 28:44
it. Hell of a name to give it. 

Jenny C. Cohen 28:46
I'm telling you, that's the name of the red death. Oh my God. Anyway, so 

Rich Bennett 28:50
I don't want that. 

Jenny C. Cohen 28:52
In the middle of my 16 cycles at one point, I remember getting hysterical, crying to my husband, I was like, I don't think I can do this. He froze because he's like, I'm managing you and the two kids and working full time job. He didn't know what to say to me. I wasn't going to therapy. And I was just like, I can't, I don't think I'm going to make it. 

Rich Bennett 29:12
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 29:12
And then he's froze. And now I can't do the same. He just has my left his body. I think I'm going to have to just batten my hatches and get through this. 

Rich Bennett 29:22
Cheez. 

Jenny C. Cohen 29:22
So it was just yeah, dancing saved my life during that. Because I would have driven out the way I didn't have it, really, 

Rich Bennett 29:29
surely. I don't, wow. I don't know how you were able to hold, well, I do know how now is through dance. But I mean, to be able to hold it all together with everybody and the family going through something, that is a, where you still foster impets at this time as well. 

Uh, 

Jenny C. Cohen 29:54
huh, 

Rich Bennett 29:54
huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh. Uh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh. So, 

Jenny C. Cohen 29:55
huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, 

Rich Bennett 29:55
please don't tell me one of the animals got sick. 

Jenny C. Cohen 29:59
Well. 

Rich Bennett 29:59
Oh, jeez. 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:00
Rich and family community. So, here's the thing. My son had type 1 

Rich Bennett 30:06
Mm 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:06
diabetes. My 

Rich Bennett 30:06
hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:07
husband gets his bowel obstruction. I get cancer. We had to move across country because at that time, during his job, 'cause I introduced up to some of the emails, he was, you know, 

Rich Bennett 30:17
in... Mm hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:18
He was being treated very poorly at his job in New Jersey. 

Rich Bennett 30:21
Oh! 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:22
terrible. So, he had to kind of find a job during my cancer treatment that ended up with us in Utah. 

Rich Bennett 30:27
Wow! 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:28
over this whole thing. So, we had to move across country. In the middle, like, I had to finish out my treatment by flying back east because I didn't want to switch to 

Rich Bennett 30:36
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:36
doctor. So, we moved out here in 2015. 

Rich Bennett 30:40
Oh shit, 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:40
Okay? 

Rich Bennett 30:40
just 10 years ago. 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:41
And yeah, just 10 years ago. And so, because I was... they announced that I was... Cancer-free January 2015, 'cause the surgery... they... active surgery, they did all the biops. 

Rich Bennett 30:55
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 30:55
And like, hey, there's... everything's dead. So, you're good to go. But we're gonna do the radiation in another year of the infusions because you're a triple positive breast cancer. And we have this treatment that's gonna keep it from coming back. A 

Rich Bennett 31:09
triple 

Jenny C. Cohen 31:09
positive? So, yeah, like a hormone-positive, yeah. So, it was like... So, then we're out there, we're out here. And... We didn't know that my daughter... so, "Trigger Warning" audience members, okay? "Trigger Warning" that my daughter was self-harming. And 

Rich Bennett 31:31
Oh, 

Jenny C. Cohen 31:31
she actually was 

Rich Bennett 31:32
god! 

Jenny C. Cohen 31:32
having suicidal ideation. We didn't know. So, out of the blue... out of the blue, she's... she, like, shows us scars. And it's like, "Oh, I was making plans to, like, kind of not be here anymore." And I was like, "What?" And here's the thing. Dance, actually, at that time, became an escape for me, right? Because post-cancer, like everybody... we're all post-Penini, right? A big major traumatic event. We're angry. 

Rich Bennett 31:58
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 31:59
We're not present. We have survivor guilt. A lot of that. And I was going through all that and I was then starting to use dance as an escape. I was running away to a lot of dance events. I was volunteering, running, like, helping run events. And I missed... my daughter's really good at masking. And I'd missed her signs because she had pretend issues, okay? And all of a sudden, she's like, "I'm not okay, Mom." 

Rich Bennett 32:23
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 32:24
And I was like, "Oh, well, I'm an OT. I'll take care of you." And we knew lots of all the Nives, said her for therapy. And still didn't realize she still really wasn't safe and shed her relapse two weeks after she told us. Like, okay, so when I say relapse, I say, "We lot up every single shop object." Like, pencil sharpeners have blades in them. 

Rich Bennett 32:43
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 32:44
The things that you draw circles with this. On Asian, I don't remember that. The circle drawers. What are you going with at the point? 

Rich Bennett 32:50
The 

Jenny C. Cohen 32:50
compass makers 

Rich Bennett 32:51
Yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 32:51
would... 

Rich Bennett 32:51
I called a compass. 

Jenny C. Cohen 32:53
Yeah, right? Anything that were sharp got locked. Every pair, scissors in the house, was locked down. 

Rich Bennett 32:59
Man. 

Jenny C. Cohen 33:00
I missed... I missed a drawer of brand new Nives. My daughter did not. 

Rich Bennett 33:06
Oh, no, no, 

Jenny C. Cohen 33:07
no, no, no. So while I was at a dance event here in Utah, she locked herself up. She suggested pizza, which she knew that her brother and father would fall asleep after eating. And then locked herself up in the bathroom, and went at herself with a fish filet knife, a brand new fish filet knife. Rich. 

I get call from my husband. We almost had to break the door down, because our yellow wouldn't open the door. And I went home and had to piece her arm together with the things, the strips, the stair strips. And then I sent a picture of it to my friend who's a psychologist in the school systems in New York. And she said, "If you were here, I would have to report you to CPS and have her taken away." 

Rich Bennett 33:54
"Wow, 

Jenny C. Cohen 33:55
It was bad. And I was like, "Thank God you're not here." Like, "Yeah, like I'm not there." "Didn't I mean? Because they weren't 18 yet." And I knew so which, that she couldn't go into an inpatient ward. I've done, 

Rich Bennett 34:07
yeah." 

Jenny C. Cohen 34:08
has an OT. I've worked at inpatient ward for kids. She wouldn't make it. I wouldn't get her back. It was really important at that moment. It was like, "God, graphics." And she said, "You're going to lose your daughter. You're going to stop running away." 

Rich Bennett 34:22
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 34:23
And that became this whole, "Oh, dance is good for getting present, but there are other things in addition to doing that." That's like the outside in, like outside of your body. Dance, get present. Your body is an instrument. And then you can go inward. Because if your body doesn't feel 

Rich Bennett 34:41
you 

Jenny C. Cohen 34:42
safe, can't do any mindset work. None of that works. You can't even feel present. 

Rich Bennett 34:47
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 34:47
and I had to do that to keep my daughter safe. Now she's like a college grad, very successful, 

Rich Bennett 34:54
Good! 

Jenny C. Cohen 34:54
uh, doing her webtunes, you know, and she's really... ...become this, this amazing version of who she was always meant to be, does that make 

Rich Bennett 35:05
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 35:05
sense? And here's the thing, um, here's, like, the kicker was, we didn't even know why she was doing it, we thought it was because of the move, the mom got cancer, that almost died. Right? And then years later, again, another trigger warning, she was SAID, as a child. 

Rich Bennett 35:20
Was what? 

Jenny C. Cohen 35:22
Setchley. 

Rich Bennett 35:23
Oh, uh, okay, sexually abused? 

Jenny C. Cohen 35:27
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 35:27
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 35:28
Has a, like, EEP before 3, and I didn't know, you know how many people I've left my kids with? So we knew immediately who it 

Rich Bennett 35:37
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 35:37
was. 

Rich Bennett 35:41
Wow, holy cow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 35:42
But she'd been masking all her life, and it, like, all of her, you know, I'm gonna pretend I'm okay, 

Rich Bennett 35:50
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 35:50
things? Fell away after Dad went in the hospital, mom got cancer. We moved across country. It was just too much, and she just started to, like, kind of, you know, all the scenes that are ripping. 

Rich Bennett 36:02
God. 

Jenny C. Cohen 36:02
And she just didn't want to be alive anymore, and I was like, and we had to really stop everything, and I remember when she was in full recovery, we started fostering kittens. And with kittens, here's the thing. Kitten, baby, like I specialize in neonatal, like the eyes closed, and you have to bottle feed them away them every single feeding to make sure they're gaining those tiny ounces, or they'll die the next day. So I would get these babies, and put them all over my daughter, and they'd be purring, and it was, like, per therapy. And then she started helping me with them. 

Rich Bennett 36:40
Mort. 

Jenny C. Cohen 36:41
And then it became a, you know, what, if you don't take care of yourself, you can't take care of the babies. And she wanted to hear the babies of, well, then if you're not taking care of yourself, then you can't touch the babies, because I don't know if you're present. 

Rich Bennett 36:53
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 36:54
And now she fosters kittens. 

Rich Bennett 36:56
Does she really? 

Jenny C. Cohen 36:57
She, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 36:59
Nat, 

Jenny C. Cohen 36:59
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 36:59
Nat, do we either of them dance? 

Jenny C. Cohen 37:03
So, um, they used to do rhythmic gymnastics, and they're junior Olympians. They're the medallists. 

Rich Bennett 37:09
Really? 

Jenny C. Cohen 37:10
When they were much younger, and they did competitive dance out on the East Coast. The school was really interesting. It was like, um, they were brought in as ringers to motivate the school. 

Rich Bennett 37:21
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 37:22
And then the school couldn't really take credit because they were junior Olympians. So they would win, like every single thing they, they put them in and then the parents, like it got really weird because they, they would take skills away from my kids, but give it to their dancers trying to make my kids not win. 

Rich Bennett 37:41
Oh, wow, wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 37:44
So they kind of stopped dancing, fencing for a little while. I got canceled. We came out here. My daughter and son did martial arts for a little while. Then my son went into ballet. So he ended up going, here there's a huge, uh, well-known ballet school out here. Ballet West, 

Rich Bennett 38:02
OK. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:03
Then he ended up going to university for ballet. So he has a ballet degree. 

Rich Bennett 38:06
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:07
Few, yeah, few schools in this country that have a ballet degree, and then my daughter went into martial arts and, and she said, she graduated with an animation degree. 

Rich Bennett 38:17
So 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:18
she does martial arts. Sun does ballet. Okay, 

Rich Bennett 38:21
she went, you said she went to school for martial arts, but graduated with an animation 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:25
She, 

Rich Bennett 38:25
degree. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:26
she studied, she went into martial arts, like, 

Rich Bennett 38:29
okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:29
I didn't martial arts. My son went into ballet. 

Rich Bennett 38:31
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:31
So he ended up getting a degree in it. She ended up just really doing it on her own. 

Rich Bennett 38:37
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:37
And then doing animation because she was going to do engineering and she was going to architect, but she really likes to draw. 

Rich Bennett 38:45
They're both artists. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:48
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 38:48
I wonder who they get that from. 

Jenny C. Cohen 38:51
I don't know. 

Rich Bennett 38:55
All right. So I didn't even know because when I read your introduction, that's not fair enough, but you also wrote a book? 

Jenny C. Cohen 39:05
Yes, I did. I wrote a book about what I used to start to come back into my body. And a lot of it has to do with recognizing my anger of getting cancer, because I was at my best. Most I thought healthiest. I was at my pre-baby weight. I was strong. I was vegan. I was working out and I got cancer. Like what? There's no history of breast cancer in my family. It was the stress. It was the stress in my life. 

Rich Bennett 39:39
Well, I mean, yeah, look at 

Jenny C. Cohen 39:41
that. Just 

Rich Bennett 39:42
everything 

Jenny C. Cohen 39:42
piled 

Rich Bennett 39:42
you've 

Jenny C. Cohen 39:42
up 

Rich Bennett 39:42
been through. 

Jenny C. Cohen 39:44
Yeah, it just piled up. It 

Rich Bennett 39:46
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 39:46
just piled up. But everybody. So there's a breast surgeon. I follow who talks about certain factors that make correlate with getting breast cancer. And she always says, but you didn't cause your cancer. We're not saying you cost your cancer. We're not told what contributes to the 

Rich Bennett 40:05
factors. Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 40:06
cancer, right? And if you're someone who was like abused or neglected, we don't know that that actually will unfortunately affect our programming so we're more susceptible to it. Right? There was I was just at an event I just got home this morning. I wasn't at an event in Phoenix and there was a person speaking about, there's this ace test where they ask you certain, you know the ace test, right? So they ask you and if you score for it and up your more at risk for depression, and anxiety, and addiction, right? And I'm like, I was like, oh, great, I'm gonna eat. 

Rich Bennett 40:54
I'm 

Jenny C. Cohen 40:55
an 8, yay, yes, because use a thing and healing my daughter because I had to find her a therapist, but then I ended being a therapist. And then I found a therapist I was willing to take my daughter too, you know, because most of the times they don't do that. I don't 

Rich Bennett 41:09
family. 

Jenny C. Cohen 41:09
see a whole 

Rich Bennett 41:10
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 41:11
But this therapist specializes in complex PTSD, which is trauma from your childhood, because it really, really affects who you are as an adult. 

Rich Bennett 41:18
And 

Jenny C. Cohen 41:18
then I realized I've been at my life with Rose colored lens all my life. And the reality of it is rich, right, because my parents were, I was born in Taiwan. 

Rich Bennett 41:29
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 41:30
And Taiwan shaped like a bean and I was born in the tip of anti-pay, the northern part. My mother's from the middle part of the bean, my dad's from the very southern, really, really country like, think straight country. Okay. Like, like, yeah, outhouse chamber pots. 

Rich Bennett 41:45
Oh, wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 41:48
Okay. When I was born and type, type, my father came to the states. My mom was working like in the military, like, has a secretary, like, up there. 

Rich Bennett 41:56
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 41:57
My, my father's mother was supposed to come up north to take care of me. And my, my father's father said, no, at the last minute when my dad left, so then they had to send me my brother. I was for my brother was to down South and to this country rural. It was it 

Rich Bennett 42:16
Culture. 

Jenny C. Cohen 42:16
was a shock. There was no electricity, there's no light at night. Like, for the longest time, I didn't realize why I was so afraid of the dark. Because I went from city lights. 

Rich Bennett 42:26
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 42:27
Darkness. You know, if you grew up and you can experience joy, but as a child, you heard, I was terrified. And then there was chamber pots. Like, I remember hating that chamber pot because I was so small before I would fall in. So I would just not pee 

Rich Bennett 42:40
in it. Oh, crap, I didn't even think about that. 

Jenny C. Cohen 42:43
Yeah. I was teeny tiny. And then we were there for about eight months. And my mom's working trying to visit us. She said a lot of people said, every time she visited us, visited us, I'd be running a screaming as she was driven away after. So those are the abandonment thing like every week. And then my brother and I were left with very, very uneducated kind of like, really, like they're farmer. 

Rich Bennett 43:09
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 43:09
We're educated at all. Right. And it's like in Taiwan, the Taiwanese men are known as wifebeaters. 

Rich Bennett 43:19
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Jenny C. Cohen 43:49
So we watched my grandfather beat my grandmother every day for 

Rich Bennett 43:52
Jesus, 

Jenny C. Cohen 43:52
months. I didn't I don't remember any of that. I have 

Rich Bennett 43:54
right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 43:54
no memory of my childhood. I don't remember anything. I'm no memories. 

Rich Bennett 43:58
Mm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 43:58
I was probably saved by somebody there. Didn't know I had to uncover all the stuff. Well, my daughter was healing. I'm like, shoot. Okay, I had this stuff that I had not resolved. 

Rich Bennett 44:10
Yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 44:10
it was so not devastating, but it really unsettled me because I was like, whoa, how do I make it this far? Because 

Rich Bennett 44:22
it was, 

Jenny C. Cohen 44:22
my grandparents would write, it was buried. You had a lot of people don't really, really sit and go, what should I really go through? 

Rich Bennett 44:29
yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 44:29
Because your body will remember and tell you when you're ready, right? And when when I really sat and started really trying to remember or people would tell me things or because I never went new to ask, but then they appeared the time when I remembered that they would leave my brother and I alone during the day. Because I was for he was too. They had to farm. So they would just leave us out during the day, rich, be like, I will keep it brother alive. And then there was a story that would tell me every Asian person knows the story. I don't, I didn't grow up in, I grew up in the States. I don't know about this like story, but I remember this one story where they would say it was a folklore thing like like foxes who liked to eat children could assume human form. And the only thing they couldn't hide was their tail. So a person it looks like them shows up sitting on a pot. Don't let that person in. Stay hidden in the dark of the, the hunt. So my brother and I would be playing and then I'd have to lock us up in the dark when dusk came. In case the foxes came to eat little children. 

Rich Bennett 45:32
Ahem, 

Jenny C. Cohen 45:32
that's how they made us behave. I've just given you fear. And the creepiest thing was, 

Rich Bennett 45:38
Wow! 

Jenny C. Cohen 45:38
the kids would be eating the whole and the only thing left would be their pinky finger on the floor. That's why I grew up with Rex. You're face. I'm telling you I like, I remember being told that story. That's the only time you remember from my childhood that when it was dark I had to hide in the dark that horrified me, keep my brother alive because the foxes that could assume human form and they would eat me and leave my pinky on the floor. 

Rich Bennett 46:04
Wow! 

You know, and the, we talk about mental health on here a lot and a lot of the experts I've had on said most of the trauma is from when you're a little, from the womb to like, I forget how old. 

Jenny C. Cohen 46:20
Seven. 

Rich Bennett 46:20
Yeah. Seven, yes. It's like, yeah a lot of people don't remember their 

Jenny C. Cohen 46:25
childhood. We don't. 

Rich Bennett 46:26
We know why now, 

Jenny C. Cohen 46:27
fox! 

Rich Bennett 46:27
the damn 

Jenny C. Cohen 46:28
Body protects you! 

Well, your mind protects you. 

Rich Bennett 46:34
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 46:35
So you're not, because I'm telling you're ready to handle it. So when my daughter sort of self-harming back then, she went for therapy for almost three years before out of the blue she got a download that she was sexually abused. 

Rich Bennett 46:50
Wow! 

Jenny C. Cohen 46:51
And the therapist, amazing therapist, okay, was like, yeah, I suspected that the first time you came but she never said anything, because it was something for the person to come to the realization. Can you believe that? Like, she's like, oh yeah, I suspected you were sexually abused, but it wasn't my place to tell you. You had to, when you were ready, your body would let you know. 

Rich Bennett 47:15
Right! 

Jenny C. Cohen 47:16
My daughter was like, one day she's like, I think I was like, something happened with me and Grandpa. And I was like, 

Rich Bennett 47:23
oh man! 

Jenny C. Cohen 47:26
And then she, her next question was, what if Daddy doesn't believe me? I was like, well, I love my husband and family, and um, well, Rich, your audience now my family. And I said to her, and then I guess Daddy wouldn't be in our lives! 

Rich Bennett 47:42
Jeez! 

Jenny C. Cohen 47:44
Because he's a thing, my daughter would not lie to us. She'd been self-harming in our, like, society for like, three years at that point. Do you understand? 

Rich Bennett 47:53
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 47:54
We've been trying to keep her alive. 

Rich Bennett 47:56
Oh 

Jenny C. Cohen 47:56
god. 

Rich Bennett 47:56
my 

Jenny C. Cohen 47:57
It made sense once it clicked because here's the story, you're ready. You're ready for this one. So, 

this particular child was very verbal, very early. And when she was three, she told my husband and I, can Grandpa not babysit us anymore. They can come over when you're here. But we don't want to be babysits by them anymore. 

Rich Bennett 48:21
Wow! 

Jenny C. Cohen 48:22
Now, back then, we're like, why? Well, because we really don't like the way Grandma makes us play. And I don't think she's really bossy. Like, you know, she wants them to play, like, the house, my kids don't do that. They watch a new yasha. They want to play demons, you 

Rich Bennett 48:37
Yeah! 

Jenny C. Cohen 48:37
know? And she wants to play instruments from my brother, my brother, not that, a pastor way. My kids don't want to play with a personal pastor way's instruments. I thought they meant that! 

Rich Bennett 48:48
And that's 

Jenny C. Cohen 48:49
started! In retrospect! 

Rich Bennett 48:51
Wow! 

Jenny C. Cohen 48:52
In retrospect, it made complete sense! 

Rich Bennett 48:59
God! 

Jenny C. Cohen 49:01
Yeah, exactly. 

Rich Bennett 49:02
Man, I... 

Jenny C. Cohen 49:07
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm telling you. 

Rich Bennett 49:13
And it's amazing that you still look like you're only thirty, after everything you've been Those of you listening, she 

Jenny C. Cohen 49:21
through. 

Rich Bennett 49:21
does. 

Jenny C. Cohen 49:23
Thank you. I did look like a little old Asian man when I was done with cancer, though I feel like. If you go to Margaret Cho's special that she filmed at Netflix, I'm in the front world with that, the, the turquoise scarf. I looked like a little old man, and it was in the recovery process that I really started to want to take 

Rich Bennett 49:45
my... 

Jenny C. Cohen 49:45
better care of 

Rich Bennett 49:45
Right! 

Jenny C. Cohen 49:46
then started to age backwards, because to segway into something else, you know? So when my husband had to secure the cancer, they said that the testosterone he was producing from the one testicle was enough. It actually 

Rich Bennett 50:01
And 

Jenny C. Cohen 50:02
wasn't. It wasn't. And I didn't know that with the chemo induced metapause, it's actually really dangerous for my body. I did not know, so on the eleven years of metapause, they even put me on... To mocks of them, which is a hormone suppressant, right? To not have the cancer come back. And now I have... 

I have a... What's the thing when your bones get really porous? Why am I having a brain? It's a 蠻syprosis, right? 

Rich Bennett 50:30
Is 

Jenny C. Cohen 50:30
that it? 

Rich Bennett 50:32
It sounds right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 50:33
Either way, I'm in high risk for hip fracture. 

Rich Bennett 50:35
Oh, good lord. Hey, doing it while doing dance. 

Jenny C. Cohen 50:39
yeah, while doing dance, and their stats are now coming out. Every 10 women they get a, uh, hip fracture. Three will not live. 

Rich Bennett 50:48
Jesus! 

Jenny C. Cohen 50:49
It's a, it's a direct correlation to death, especially over 60. 

Rich Bennett 50:54
Holy crap! 

Ha, ha, ha, 

Jenny C. Cohen 50:59
ha! 

Rich Bennett 50:59
ha, 

Jenny C. Cohen 50:59
It's a predictor for, like, decline in health, right? And I'm like, wait, what, what? Excuse me? And now here's the thing. I even get these really expensive $4, 000 shots every six months, and it wasn't until I started putting hormones back in my body even though I had hormone positive breast 

Rich Bennett 51:18
cancer. Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 51:19
That, like, my muscles came back. My brain fog went away. My, my, um, I have a lot of neuropathic pain. My, my feet stopped hurting. You see what I'm 

Rich Bennett 51:31
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 51:31
saying? I didn't know, like, what, my husband, he wasn't a really bad biking accident a few years ago. 

Rich Bennett 51:40
Oh! 

Jenny C. Cohen 51:41
And when he was, um, rehabbing, rehabbing, uhm, the doctor that was working with him said, you don't have enough testosterone in your body to recover. Did you know that your levels are too low? And the guy was like, you need to be. For us to continue doing, like, PRP 

Rich Bennett 51:58
take. 

Jenny C. Cohen 51:58
shots, where they 

Rich Bennett 51:59
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 51:59
Spend all the protein, put it back. You need to be optimized for healing and recovery. So your team needs to be a key in most people like, oh no, this is like you're gonna get heart attacks. And, and, right, a lot of men are having a decline in testosterone, which affects your health, your heart health. No one talks about that. They're like, oh no, you're fine. And then that leads to like erectile dysfunction. But then that also correlated heart health at the same time. 

Rich Bennett 52:30
Good lord. 

Jenny C. Cohen 52:31
So here's the thing. My husband just had another bowel obstruction last month. He 

Rich Bennett 52:35
Jesus! 

Jenny C. Cohen 52:36
was, he was, he's home now, but he was in the hospital for like 22 days. 

Rich Bennett 52:40
22 days? 

Jenny C. Cohen 52:42
Two separate surgeries. They had to do incision twice. He came home for two days. It was really scary, because he was not well. When back in the hospital, 40 centimeters of small intestine resect. 

Rich Bennett 52:58
Damn. 

Jenny C. Cohen 52:58
Okay. I know. Here's the thing. Ready? Ready? We were getting signs. There's a doctor. The cardiologist was talking about like, if a man starts having difficulty with erections. Start checking out his heart. Start checking. It's correlated. It's correlated to your health. If a man cannot have an erection regularly, it's not just because you're old. Sorry. 

Rich Bennett 53:23
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 53:24
And not just because you don't have enough tea. Because my husband was high in TV. He was having some difficulty. So he's doing all this mental health stuff and trying to, you know, work on mindset is because he was getting another bowel obstruction. 

Rich Bennett 53:38
God. 

Jenny C. Cohen 53:39
We didn't realize that. Now we know. You know what I'm saying? Pay attention. My, my men in the audience. If there's no shame in that, it's like women will win metapause, right? 

Rich Bennett 53:54
Mm hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 53:55
When you're in metapause in the, so you're not going to want to have sex. It's just the weirdest. No one's got that. There's four more months out there. And then the vat can now get shorter for the women. But then that leads to your nary tract infections because everything's off down there. Your nary tract infections are really dangerous for women. They're silent killers for us. 

Rich Bennett 54:16
Good lord. 

Jenny C. Cohen 54:18
No one talks about this. I'm like, why did I not know to watch out for? There was a, there was one point last year the year before rich where I was getting multiple nary tract infections a year. And because I have a high quote unquote paint tolerance, I'm just like I'm more aware now 

Rich Bennett 54:35
right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 54:37
I talk like this one. I was in eight sentence. I later when I went to the hospital, and they're like, you're fine. 

Rich Bennett 54:42
like. 

Jenny C. Cohen 54:42
You can get and I was in full labor. I was I'll be like, I'm having a contraction. Oh, that's really uncomfortable. Like no screaming. Really rich. So I'm like, it's itchy. And they're like, you haven't really bad. You don't know paint. No. It's really itchy. Right. So some of us were conditioned to, you know, you don't really feel pain. You're you're really really good with pain. I'm like, they still go with pain, pain is pain. And if you have things that your body's kind of whispering and then talking a little bit louder, and then eventually just yelling at you, you know, there's ways rich for us to ask ourselves like muscle testing, which is apply condesiology. Okay? Have you done muscle testing before? 

Rich Bennett 55:31
I don't think so. 

Jenny C. Cohen 55:33
I'll do 

Rich Bennett 55:34
Okay. Okay. Would you 

Jenny C. Cohen 55:35
it with you. Okay. 

Rich Bennett 55:35
you could you could you could do it, virtual, I guess. 

Jenny C. Cohen 55:39
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 55:39
And I know I need to work on my my my strength too, because I lost a lot of weight and as I did, I didn't I wasn't doing my strength conditioning. 

Jenny C. Cohen 55:49
Okay, all right. So here's the thing. If we were in person, I would do the muscle testing where like your arm would be put at shoulder height and I would gently press down your resist. 

Rich Bennett 56:00
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 56:01
Ask a question and we push down your arm. 

Rich Bennett 56:02
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 56:03
I prefer people to muscle tests on themselves. 

Rich Bennett 56:07
Oh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 56:07
Kaviyat, the only thing to remember is, okay? If you don't normally listen to body and your old school like me and rich, it's always mind over body, mind over body. That's how we grew up, right? Like I have to be this my body has to be beaten to shape. You got to like whip it into shape. That's the word. Whip into shape. And the thing is they're now coming up with research. Right. The we have the same cells in our brain in our heart and our gut. And they've even traced. Because if you if you ever heard of a heart mask that there's actually more signals going from heart to brain them brain to the heart. Okay. So our bodies hold a lot of our answers. We're always going outside. When I say outside in mastery, my thing is outside like your body is your outside. 

Rich Bennett 56:56
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 56:57
It houses your soul and your spirit. Right. So it's very sacred and it has a lot it's been it's the only thing that's been with you since you were born. Only thing. Only being your body. So your body's witness every single thing that you've ever experienced. So why would you not ask your own body a question? 

Rich Bennett 57:17
Mm-hmm. You got to listen 

Jenny C. Cohen 57:18
All right. 

Rich Bennett 57:18
to your 

Jenny C. Cohen 57:19
So 

Rich Bennett 57:19
body. 

Jenny C. Cohen 57:19
this. Right. 

Rich Bennett 57:20
And here's 

Jenny C. Cohen 57:21
But sometimes. 

Rich Bennett 57:21
something I always tell people too. Because 

well, you you know how this is. A lot of people will listen to their body and then they'll get a doctor and but a doctor will say something else. And they'll listen to the doctor. Well, you know your body better than the doctor does. And what you said before about you know how the mind over matter or whatever. Because being in the Marine Corps, we were always taught no pain, no gain. As I got older, one of my doctors yelled at me and said, no, if you have pain, you stop. I was like, oh, okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 57:58
Well, you're Marine Corps. My kids are are X Olympic. 

Rich Bennett 58:03
So to say, yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 58:04
It's like rhythmic. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 58:05
there's ongoing. 

Jenny C. Cohen 58:05
And with them, it was ongoing. And it was like indicated with success, right? Like if you could ignore the pain, that was a good thing 

Rich Bennett 58:14
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 58:14
because then then you could achieve the goal, right? And for their lifetime, now like you is learning to add your pay attention to the whisper for the pain, right? So a whisper is when you ask your body a yes or no question. Some people know it like you know for like food testing. If I hold something up against my chest and you close your eyes, you lean towards it away from it. And I tell you whether or not it's good for you or really not go for you. Like I challenged anyone to hold. I used to go through a five pound bag of sugar in two weeks because I like sugar a lot. 

Rich Bennett 58:49
Good Lord. 

Jenny C. Cohen 58:51
I know it's so good. I put in my own great tea. But I don't do that anymore. 

Rich Bennett 58:56
Although I used to make 

Jenny C. Cohen 58:57
But 

Rich Bennett 58:57
sugar sandwiches so I can't say it. 

Jenny C. Cohen 58:58
they 

Rich Bennett 58:59
Not anymore. Not anymore. I use Stevie in the 

Jenny C. Cohen 59:01
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 59:02
role 

Jenny C. Cohen 59:02
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 59:02
now. So 

Jenny C. Cohen 59:04
caveat. Yep. We do liquids that year and packets. However, back in the day, if I were to do done muscle testing with sugar, and I'm going to bring the camera, as you can see, if I had put the the sugar bag in front of my chest, close my eyes and said, is this sugar good for my body? Most likely, my body would have just leaned naturally backward away from it. It's well, it's not good for you. My body was not going to lean towards it. Yeah, people do that with food allergies. Like sometimes, the back, you know, is this something I can have? Because there's some people who can have tomatoes cook, but they can't have 

Rich Bennett 59:42
son. 

Jenny C. Cohen 59:42
tomatoes raw 

Rich Bennett 59:42
Yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 59:42
like my 

Rich Bennett 59:43
especially if they have gal. 

Jenny C. Cohen 59:45
Yeah, right. I used to test out this leaning forward and backwards. If I'm listening to a seminar on Zoom and someone's trying to do like some mind, like mind programming and I'd be like, is this for me and my body? But no, it's not for you. Okay, fine. Then we're not going to buy this, right? But sometimes if you're in a conversation, you can't be like, excuse me. I'm just going to test out right? 

Rich Bennett 1:00:08
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:00:08
Yeah. Right. So there's two other ways to do it, though, with your hands. There's a ring method where you just make an okay sign and you press your fingertips together. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:17
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:00:17
And in the scene, you take your other finger and push, push it along here. And then you kind of pull against it, right? So that's one way to test it. Meaning so you've you say, my name is Rich Bennett and then you pull. It should be strong. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:32
It's rich, but I'm not pulling 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:00:34
your 

Rich Bennett 1:00:34
through. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:00:35
right? It's pretty sure. Yeah. Right. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:36
Now should 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:00:37
Now you can say 

Rich Bennett 1:00:37
do it with your less dominant hand as well. Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:00:42
Do it. Do it with your less dominant support cutters. So now stay on that hand Richard. the rich and then and then and then release. So it's just it's just a little tug and then it's strong. Right. It's strongly. 

Rich Bennett 1:00:52
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:00:52
It stays together. Right. If you were to say, well, my name is Penelope Cruz. Like my name is Jenny C Cohen. Yes. My name is Penelope Cruz. Now I'm squeezing the VG burst. But I can very easily pull through. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:06
Come on. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:07
Look down at 

Rich Bennett 1:01:09
it. You said, don't look down at 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:11
it. Look down, like look down, but don't look up. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:14
Yeah, my name is Penelope 

Cruz. I'm 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:19
Penelope Cruz. I mean. Yeah. Oh my God. You're Penelope Cruz. So here's the thing 

Rich Bennett 1:01:22
My name. going. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:22
you're 

Rich Bennett 1:01:23
Oh, wait a minute. Okay. When I said Tom Cruise, I came through. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:28
So Rich, it's not the same poll. So you're going to release and then say the say the second phrase. Like my name is Tom Cruise. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:37
Stop. And 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:38
you didn't. Yeah. Well, color your eyes. 

Rich Bennett 1:01:41
They change. They're, they're blue. But the one will change from blue to green sometimes. Depending on my mood. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:47
Cool. Alright. So you can say my eyes are blue and blue green. My eyes are brown. Right. I've always wanted 

Rich Bennett 1:01:57
purple eyes. My 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:01:59
eyes are purple. No, don't it 

Rich Bennett 1:02:01
purple? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:02
I, context, no, green eyes. No. I don't know. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:07
don't think I've ever seen 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:08
I 

Rich Bennett 1:02:08
anything by purple eyes. That could be kind of. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:10
But they're Asian people with green eyes. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:13
Really? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:15
Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:16
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:16
Yeah. Cause they, it's a, it's a, it's a non-dominant trait. So they'll mirror someone with another non-dominant trait. And then they get green eyes. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:24
Good song. By the way, green eyed lady. Sorry. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:27
Yeah. So now do your eye color and do that. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:30
My eyes are blue. My eyes are. Oh, come on. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:37
So now, if you were ever to ask a question, right? 

Rich Bennett 1:02:42
Oh shit. As a blue. That is weird. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:46
Your body knows it's, it's weird, but wonderful. It's wonderful. Weird because if you were to be talking to someone. 

Rich Bennett 1:02:56
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:02:57
And you felt like they were lying. You can ask, Oh, were lying to me and do muscle. Now, I love this one because I, if I'm talking to you, like in person, I could be doing it down here. And you wouldn't know. I could do behind my back. I'm talking to. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:13
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:14
Because sometimes I just need a little affirmation to my gut, 

Rich Bennett 1:03:19
mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:19
Cause your body will know. Your body knows because we're all kinetic and 

Rich Bennett 1:03:25
I love the shirt. By the way. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:27
Thank you. And apology. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:29
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:29
Asian. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:29
love 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:30
I 

Rich Bennett 1:03:30
that. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:30
traveled with this. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:31
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:31
say something. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:33
Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:34
Does that help? 

Rich Bennett 1:03:35
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:35
Yeah. And then some people, the ring doesn't work. So then we do the non-dom in a hand where you do a point of finger with your hands is a sweet together in a fist. And then you just hold your finger out. I'm holding it high to show you, but it's about like sternum, sternum level. 

Rich Bennett 1:03:51
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:03:51
So the shoulder is higher than the elbow. And then there's a straight line from the elbow through the wrist. Through the finger. And then you, yeah, and then you got to turn your palm towards your chest. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:01
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:02
Yeah. And then all we're doing right now is just that middle knuckle here. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:06
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:07
We're just pushing down on a real gentle. And then you're forcing the finger as strong as possible, push it down and then stop pushing. And then the same questions. My name is Jenny C Cohen. And it says strong. My name is Rich Bennett. My fingers like what? What? What? You're not penalty cruise or Rich Bennett. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:24
Rich Bennett. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:26
You say that's kind of strong. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:27
Yeah. That is weird. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:29
It goes right down. Mm-hmm. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:30
It's really weird. It's 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:33
good. It's a good, weird. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:35
One of the things that you teach. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:38
Okay. I teach that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then when I work with my clients, though, we'll start having them apply that to the everyday life. 

Rich Bennett 1:04:46
Okay. So you're doing 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:48
When 

Rich Bennett 1:04:48
that. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:48
my husband went 

Rich Bennett 1:04:49
and how to and how to dance to heal, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:04:53
when we dance, it's really also having them find ways to use dance to get present enough to do work like muscle test or certain mindsets. And I also do timeline healing where they can actually your mind so powerful. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:08
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:05:10
That they can use their mind to get a lesson from a past and then let go of the pain. But you've got to be present first. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:19
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:05:19
Your body because otherwise your body doesn't buy into it. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:23
Wow. Oh. You know you're going to have to come back on again, right? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:05:29
Any time. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:30
Oh God. There's a lot because I know there's a lot more than that. But I have to they have to ask you about the podcast. What made you want to start the podcast? Dance to heal. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:05:41
It was in conjunction with my book outside in recovery. 

Rich Bennett 1:05:44
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:05:45
Because at that time, I knew there was some podcast but not really anyone on talking about what my book talked about for people post breast cancer, but then I was finding a lot of people, maybe for breast cancer, who could have used all the tools that I was having my guess come on, then we just rebranded so it's still called dance a heal in that life is a dance. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:07
Ooh, I like so you're getting all types of different guests. I mean, not 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:13
people, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:13
just 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:14
all types. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:15
All right, so 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:15
like you're going to be coming on just 

Rich Bennett 1:06:17
so you. Oh, that could be scary. Hey, I would be honored to come on. Have you had your daughter on? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:28
Yes, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:29
a really. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:30
She's, she's on an episode. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:31
OK, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:33
yeah, talking because she does Tai Chi and she leads the people through our Tai Chi. Jesus, 

Rich Bennett 1:06:38
I've been wanting to try that Tai Chi. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:42
I'm going to send you some videos, I'm not saying videos. She's in amazing. I have to send you the one where because we have cats 

Rich Bennett 1:06:48
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:06:48
right? I can't decide that she wants to be in on the actual class. So she's teaching you the cat cleans up on her back and ends up on her shoulders. 

Rich Bennett 1:06:56
So almost like the goat yoga. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:00
Yes, 

Rich Bennett 1:07:02
yes, I love 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:03
that. I love that I want to cat yoga. Have you seen the cat yoga? 

Rich Bennett 1:07:06
No, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:06
And 

Rich Bennett 1:07:06
I didn't. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:07
dog yoga, they puppy yoga. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:10
No, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:11
yeah, to try to get you adopted little guy. So you go in and they're just climbing all over you. Well, you're doing yoga. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:20
See, and I was doing yoga for awhile, that's how I lost a lot of weight. And then I went into the downward dog and my back locked no, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:28
up. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:28
no. So I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:28
Oh, 

Rich Bennett 1:07:28
stopped, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:28
no, 

Rich Bennett 1:07:28
yeah, so I stopped doing it for awhile. But chiropractor has been helping out with that a lot. Now I got to get back in 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:34
net. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:35
Huh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:36
I got to download my offer suggestion. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:38
Sure. Of course. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:40
How much you stretch your hamstrings, 

Rich Bennett 1:07:44
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:44
before down to a dog. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:46
Oh, I was stretching. I was always stretching and doing my breathing exercises before I did. I don't know what I had to do something wrong. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:55
I'm talking about the back of your thigh. 

Rich Bennett 1:07:58
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:07:59
The hamstrings, they stretch into your back. And because I do a form of belly dance called detour style. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:06
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:06
And there's a particular stretch you do to release the tension from the back of the thigh into your back. So when you go into downward dog, you don't strain your back. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:17
All right. So you're going to give me dance lessons too. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:20
Yeah. Yeah, do you know that in the industry of dance entertainment, like belly dance and tame men get higher prices than women? 

Rich Bennett 1:08:28
I want to be a belly dance assana. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:32
I was going to go 

Rich Bennett 1:08:34
there. 

[Laughter] Oh, man. I can't wait to see my costume for that. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:44
I'm already getting 

Rich Bennett 1:08:44
ideas. Wait a minute now. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:47
I'm already getting ideas. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:50
Thank 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:51
I'm already. 

Rich Bennett 1:08:52
God you're out there. You taught it out here. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:55
[Laughter] 

Rich Bennett 1:08:56
Oh, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:56
I 

Rich Bennett 1:08:56
God. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:57
do have a friend who does burlesque too, anytime, 

Rich Bennett 1:08:59
Really? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:08:59
Ruth. She's amazing. Yeah, I'll send her has a guess for you. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:04
Oh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:05
She does amazing work with empowerment. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:09
Oh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:09
I'm going to send her an 

Rich Bennett 1:09:10
But, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:10
information. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:11
yes, I would love to get her on. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:13
And she's like from England, so I could just listen to her voice all day long. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:19
Hey, she may live next to my cousins, you never know. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:22
Well, she's in LA 

Rich Bennett 1:09:23
Oh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:23
now. She's doing shows and winning awards and stuff. She's like, yeah, she's like an actress. She does fire. She trains you to work with fire. It might be after we're saying the time. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:36
Yeah, after I shave 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:37
Oh, beer. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:37
everything. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:38
Yeah. Yeah, no beer. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:40
God. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:40
But, she does like fire eating. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:42
Oh, wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:43
And, she just you to do fire eating? Again, no beer. But, all that. She does fire retreats somewhere south of me in Utah. Was it Phoenix? Or somewhere else? Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:09:54
Where do they walk across fire? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:09:57
Oh, she's done that, but she actually eats fire 

Rich Bennett 1:10:00
Oh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:10:00
and teaches you how to eat fire. Like a big fire thing. 

Rich Bennett 1:10:04
I can't even eat a freaking chili pepper. 

I said. With, with the podcast, because you have over 120 episodes now. And this is your first podcast that you, that you did, right? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:10:20
Ever. Mhm. 

Rich Bennett 1:10:22
A lot of people like to get into podcast, but they don't know how hard it is. What was your, what's been your biggest struggle with the podcast? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:10:33
The tech. 

Rich Bennett 1:10:35
I know I'm Asian, but the tech. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:10:38
tech, sorry. 

Rich Bennett 1:10:39
The 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:10:40
I just 

Rich Bennett 1:10:41
love the comment. I know I'm Asian, but the tech. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:10:45
Well, you know, you and I we grew up with this whole like 

Rich Bennett 1:10:48
a. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:10:48
singing like, you know, you're You could touch tech and it works. I blow up tech. I come near tech and it blows up. It's my energy field. Like, my husband was working out the house, my computer would lock up until he 

Rich Bennett 1:11:00
door. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:00
came to the It wouldn't work. 

So it was the tech. It was always the tech, uhm, I started working with a person and I didn't realize she was subcontracted through three other people so no one could find 

Rich Bennett 1:11:13
Good 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:13
me. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:13
lord. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:14
I know. I know, because when you're new to it, 

Rich Bennett 1:11:17
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:17
you really want under your own name, 

Rich Bennett 1:11:19
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:20
okay? You want to be the person that when they search it, they 

Rich Bennett 1:11:23
find you. They find you. You're the brand. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:24
Yes. You're the brand. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:27
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:27
If you can buy your domain, 

Rich Bennett 1:11:29
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:30
that's 

Rich Bennett 1:11:30
mean. Yep. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:30
what Just put the money down. Buy your name. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:33
And it's not that expensive 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:35
No, it's nothing. It's nothing. It's nothing. Really. And then you, I would strongly suggest I know you don't do the videos. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:45
yet. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:11:46
However, YouTube is now pushing out podcasts and you want to be able to be found on YouTube because chat TVT is starting to pull from YouTube and Google for search engine. 

Rich Bennett 1:11:59
Well, I was going to say because you look at Google, Google now when you search on Google, it's Google Gemini, which is another AI, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:12:08
Exactly. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:08
which is looking. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:12:09
Exactly. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:10
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:12:10
They all search and write so what you want to just be searchable and findable your name, which is important so then people can find you separate from your podcast. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:18
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:12:19
And then you can just pull the audio from your YouTube video 

Rich Bennett 1:12:23
Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:12:23
instead of trying to do with the other way around. It's harder. You know, I'm saying do the whole spiel, because then you can attract people to your podcast on all your social media. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:34
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:12:35
With the actual video. And now with AI two people want to see real people. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:41
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:12:43
The AI actors people can tell. 

Rich Bennett 1:12:47
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I did that as a test. I actually did an episode and it was all AI. What's in my voice? Well, I mean, it did all right, but I mean, I guess because people are so used to hear me and even talking to a guest. That's I guess that's what they were looking for. Cause I mean, my thing is with AI, you need don't be afraid of it. embrace it. Learn how to use 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:13:15
You 

Rich Bennett 1:13:15
it. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:13:16
need it. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:16
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:13:17
You do you do. And it just makes life a little bit 

Rich Bennett 1:13:21
and 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:13:21
faster 

Rich Bennett 1:13:21
quicker. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:13:21
God, 

Rich Bennett 1:13:21
Oh, my 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:13:22
because I think right. My son was using it and he increased my search ability so that people can find me everywhere. Now, which was 

Rich Bennett 1:13:29
Oh, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:13:29
crazy. 

Rich Bennett 1:13:29
it's helped me because I do it for my podcast. I do everything myself. I do the editing the marketing everything. So one hour podcast. Now with editing, well, an hour to edit, because I listen to the thing, but then I transcribe and then loaded up into AI to create my show notes and everything. So technically really three hours for an episode, one hour of recording, one hour of editing, an hour of, you know, the transcribed in marketing and all that. But it's made a big difference, a big difference. It was just, I want to say a few months ago, I went from I want to say the top five percent to the top 3 percent. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:14:17
Wait a 

Rich Bennett 1:14:17
And 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:14:17
go. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:18
it's just because of a little changes that I did plus consistent. I mean, I have over 750 episodes and I've been doing it for 10 years. Yeah. So I think I might. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:14:31
Have you been to podcast rich? 

Rich Bennett 1:14:33
No, no, no, no, no, I want to go. I want to go so but you know what? Here's what got if he's listening to this, he's going to hold me to it. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:14:44
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:45
If Alex went, not if when Alex gets inducted into the hot, the podcast hall, fame, I'll go. Wait a minute. I wonder if he's in may already be in. I don't think he is. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:14:57
Cheer. 

Rich Bennett 1:14:58
Oh, it's awesome from what I've heard, because 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:01
you you should be 

Rich Bennett 1:15:02
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:02
there. 

Rich Bennett 1:15:03
know 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:03
you know, there has a speaker or a spot 

Rich Bennett 1:15:05
one of this 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:06
somebody 

Rich Bennett 1:15:07
a lot of my co-hosts want to go to, but it's not cheap to go. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:13
no, it's not. 

Rich Bennett 1:15:13
Yeah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:13
It's a boy, but boy, but I suggest something. Apply to be a speaker and do the petcha, and then the speakers get a cheaper ticket. 

Rich Bennett 1:15:25
I mentioned something to you about that when we're finished here. Yeah, but no, I wouldn't mind doing that at all. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:36
I like that petcha. It just talks because I did not realize we would be on the main stage. 

Rich Bennett 1:15:41
Oh. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:44
So this pictures of me with the giant podcast logo behind podcast logo behind me, and I'm on the big 

Rich Bennett 1:15:50
And 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:15:50
stage. 

Rich Bennett 1:15:50
it's gonna be a good one this year 'cause I think they have what Pat Flynn. Is there Alex is talking? Uh, I think John Lee Doomas. Is gonna be 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:00
Huh? 

Rich Bennett 1:16:00
there. I mean, they, they got, just those three alone are worth it. You know, but yeah, I know, I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:10
But 

Rich Bennett 1:16:10
know. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:10
you could do like the lowest, lowest thing and just hang out with 

Rich Bennett 1:16:13
Nah, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:13
people. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:13
I can't do that. If I go, I want to go all in. I want to go to everything. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:17
Alright, well, next year, 27. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:21
How may I have to? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:22
'Cause I go when I volunteer too. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:24
See, and here's... 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:25
You know, a lot of the people. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:26
The other bad thing that I, I have a tendency to do, and I keep, I always forget to change my calendar and block out dates. So people can't 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:38
Do 

Rich Bennett 1:16:38
book. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:38
you need me to text you? I'd just be like, hey, the days came half for 27 block this off. It's always in January, as far 

Rich Bennett 1:16:44
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:45
as now. 

Rich Bennett 1:16:45
mean, well, because they also do, do they do one in Vegas as well, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:51
I don't, 

Rich Bennett 1:16:51
or is that? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:51
they do 

Rich Bennett 1:16:52
a podcast 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:53
Where? 

Rich Bennett 1:16:53
expo. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:16:55
I 

Rich Bennett 1:16:55
think they do a podcast. There's a couple different ones, but I think, yeah, pod fest, the big one is definitely. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:00
There was one in Vegas just. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:02
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:02
Well, yep. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:03
Yeah, I wish they would 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:04
the 

Rich Bennett 1:17:04
bring 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:05
January or Lando. And, actually, they do like satellite events, and there was one in Salt Lake. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:11
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:13
But I was busy then, I was so bummed. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:15
See, and... 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:16
My podcast did satellites, and they had one here. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:19
With my 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:20
They 

Rich Bennett 1:17:20
luck. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:20
have one by you. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:21
I would go to pod fest in Florida, and I would get banned, because I probably bring snow from me to be canceled. [laughs] 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:32
You won't. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:34
It'll 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:35
be great. It'll be great, because I'll know you, because I don't know I mean, other than Chris, who runs it, and Wendy, who is amazing. Who runs the event for him, and the kid who does the volunteering. And that's it. I don't really know anybody, but we're 

Rich Bennett 1:17:47
Oh, really? Oh, then in 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:48
like, 

Rich Bennett 1:17:48
that case, I'll 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:49
yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:49
have to go. Because I know a lot of people that go. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:52
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:17:54
Okay. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:54
I have to go, just so I can be hanging out with your 

Rich Bennett 1:17:56
people. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:56
meeting 

Rich Bennett 1:17:57
I will. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:57
Because I meet everybody, but every thing nothing, I've came 

Rich Bennett 1:17:59
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:17:59
up... 

Rich Bennett 1:18:00
keep telling my wife, and she goes, "Why do I want to go to a pod fest with you?" I was like, "It's Florida." She goes, "I don't want to go to go hang around with you." [laughs] 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:13
No, it's true. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:14
true. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:14
It's 

Rich Bennett 1:18:14
It's 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:16
true. What does your wife like to do? What does she like to do? 

Rich Bennett 1:18:20
Uh, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:23
what are 

Rich Bennett 1:18:24
That's... 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:24
her interests? And hobbies. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:25
She, it's hard to say because I always said she's a hell of an artist, but she doesn't do her art anymore. She is. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:33
What kind of artist? 

Rich Bennett 1:18:33
Drawing and painting. Yeah. Yeah. I wish she would get back into it. She loves decorating, like, she's been doing the upstairs with all the Christmas stuff. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:46
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 1:18:47
She loves to do her little garden. She will not come out with me and be Mrs. Santa 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:53
Claus. Well, I don't 

Rich Bennett 1:18:54
it. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:54
blame 

Rich Bennett 1:18:54
All right, on that note, gee, thanks, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:57
[laughs] [laughs] 

Rich Bennett 1:18:58
Jen. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:18:58
Well, no, 

Rich Bennett 1:18:59
[laughs] 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:00
no, no. Because it's different. It's different. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:02
[laughs] What? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:03
I mean, it's different. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:06
[laughs] 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:06
Well, you know, sorry, I'm always gonna be in the 

Rich Bennett 1:19:10
I 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:10
wife's... 

Rich Bennett 1:19:11
know. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:12
But Mrs. Bennett, I got you. Well, my thing is, I wonder if there's anything art related going on and then she could go to 

Rich Bennett 1:19:21
you- 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:22
that. 

Rich Bennett 1:19:22
Oh, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:22
Well, 

Rich Bennett 1:19:22
I'm sure- oh, she could find stuff to do. Easily. Easily. Yeah. Because- and actually, maybe make it a family. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:33
Oh, that 

Rich Bennett 1:19:33
better. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:34
would be 

Rich Bennett 1:19:34
And 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:34
even 

Rich Bennett 1:19:34
then everybody be like, "Where's Richard?" "He's a past. What the hell's a past?" Yeah. But anyways, before I get to my last question, is there anything you would like to add before I add this, everybody go listen to the podcast and you also know about the- um, little, little, little, little danceenheal.com for the cardio and- oh my god, help me out, Jenny. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:19:58
Cardio and stretch class. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:00
Thank 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:00
So 

Rich Bennett 1:20:00
you. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:00
when you go 

Rich Bennett 1:20:01
[exhales] 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:01
to danceenheal, it's d-a-n-c-e-a-n-d-h-e-a-l.com. Heal hasn't like it better, not healin' it's not high heels, okay? That's a different type of danceen. [laughs] 

Rich Bennett 1:20:13
Yes, it is. And I never mind that- yeah, that's- that's a whole other episode. Ow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:20
Well, you know men danceenheals now, right? They- 

Rich Bennett 1:20:22
oh, the pole danceen I know. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:24
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:24
One of 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:25
For not just so strong. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:26
my co-one of my co-host does it and I'm like, how? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:31
I- you not freaking 

Rich Bennett 1:20:33
No, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:33
ankle. 

Rich Bennett 1:20:34
not that because they go running and jump on that pole, be breaking a nut. I ain't no way, I'd be a girl afterwards. I mean, I used to be 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:44
[laughs] 

Rich Bennett 1:20:44
a male dancer, but I didn't do the pole thing, not as- 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:48
Wait, 

Rich Bennett 1:20:48
wait, wait. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:49
wait, 

Rich Bennett 1:20:49
All 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:49
wait, 

Rich Bennett 1:20:49
right, anyways. Okay. No, I'm sorry. Yeah, Lord. Uh... 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:53
What kind of dance, 

Rich Bennett 1:20:54
What, I- 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:20:55
uh-huh? 

Rich Bennett 1:20:55
I didn't hear that. Uh, OK, here you go. Again, Jennie beschruemial. Oh god. Yeah, that- that came out thanks to Alex's idea for, you know, our 750th episode to do it live. So I had all my co-hosts and everything, and we did a live recording, and my sister's one of my co-hosts. And she brought that up and all my other co-hosts were like, "Oh my god, you did what?" Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:21:26
What kind of dancing? 

Rich Bennett 1:21:27
I- I know. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:21:28
I know your audience once. 

Rich Bennett 1:21:29
I was a male stripper. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:21:32
Stop, I love that. 

Rich Bennett 1:21:33
A long time ago. Shortly, if I got out of the Marine Corps and before my chest dropped, that's when I was still a solid 210 to 120 rounds. Um, anyways, is there anything you would like to add, Jennie? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:21:52
>> We talked about that 

Rich Bennett 1:21:53
[laughs] 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:21:53
on my podcast or audience. We'll let you know when we're just guessing on the dance to heal podcast, or we'll be discussing those days. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:00
>> How that go- Oh, was j- 

how do I step into these things? How? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:22:10
>> Hey! 

Rich Bennett 1:22:11
God. Okay. 

All 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:22:17
Last 

Rich Bennett 1:22:17
right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:22:18
question? 

Rich Bennett 1:22:18
Yeah, yeah, actually, pick- I don't really like it. Reddit lips here. Pick a number between 1 and 100. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:22:27
>> 68. That's my birth year. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:29
>> Oh, so- Okay, 60. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:22:31
>> I don't know what that is. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:32
>> 68. Oh, this is- Oh! You know what? This is a good question. 

>> I'm not going to ask it though, because you- because you made me turn red. Because 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:22:47
>> What? 

Rich Bennett 1:22:47
you made me turn red. What's a lesson you've learned from failure? 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:22:54
>> [laughing] >> I like this question. 

Rich Bennett 1:22:57
>> Everybody should learn from failing. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:23:00
>> I know. Because it really is part of growth. 

Rich Bennett 1:23:03
>> Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:23:04
>> I used to work for an online platform, and I- I at a loyalty. I was a teacher. I was made a master instructor. I didn't know what that meant, neither did the person who made it for me. And so then she was backpedaling trying to make me fit what it became. 

Rich Bennett 1:23:21
>> Mm-hmm. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:23:22
>> And there were- there was one time I was traveling. I forgot to get a sub for this class. It's all online teaching. And she fired me via email because of that. 

Rich Bennett 1:23:35
>> Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:23:36
>> Now, I thought we were friends. 

Rich Bennett 1:23:38
>> Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:23:39
>> I thought we were friends. And it wasn't that she didn't pay me money. But she wasn't- >> I'm worth a lot of 

Rich Bennett 1:23:46
>> 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:23:46
money. 

Rich Bennett 1:23:46
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:23:46
But I was working for her really, really inexpensively, because I felt loyalty. Like you really want to support her online brand by hitting that. And it felt like a big failure when I got fired via email. Because I was broken. Like I was like, how could you do that? I thought we were friends. I say I'm loyalty. And her thing was just, it's business. But I hate it when people say that. So they're like, fight and stay because of 

Rich Bennett 1:24:08
>> 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:24:08
business. 

Rich Bennett 1:24:08
Yeah. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:24:09
>> And she relied on me kind of allowing myself to be taken advantage of. Cause I was teaching three or four classes a week. So in exchange, anyways. And then when that door closed, like it was closed for 

Rich Bennett 1:24:25
>> 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:24:25
me. 

Rich Bennett 1:24:25
Right. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:24:27
>> I ended up booking a 5k client the next week. 

Rich Bennett 1:24:30
>> Wow. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:24:32
>> I don't make 5k with her yet. But I booked a 5k. >> Private client. 

Rich Bennett 1:24:38
>> Nice. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:24:39
And I was like whoa, this is crazy. So we want that that's really important lesson that I really needed to stop hiding behind other people's 

Rich Bennett 1:24:50
an 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:24:50
ideas and just go forward with my idea. 

Rich Bennett 1:24:52
>> Wow. That is awesome. Well, Jennie, I want to thank you so much. It's been an honor. And I've already told you the doors are open. You can come back any time. Because this was a blast. I could talk with you for hours. It's 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:05
>> Don't forget you've 

Rich Bennett 1:25:06
just. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:06
been coming on my podcast 

Rich Bennett 1:25:08
>> 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:08
for 

Rich Bennett 1:25:08
Well, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:08
the 

Rich Bennett 1:25:08
talk 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:08
whole. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:08
about that when we're done here. Just, you know, I know I come on your podcast and you can make fun of me and pick on me and everything. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:15
>> Actually, 

Rich Bennett 1:25:15
>> Say Rich, do you have any 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:16
I 

Rich Bennett 1:25:17
pictures 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:17
have. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:17
of you in that diaper? Yeah, I mean, 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:19
never 

Rich Bennett 1:25:20
mind. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:21
>> Wait you offered that. I did not ask for pictures, but now I'll ask for pictures. Audience members, you hear this. Rich said his picture. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:29
>> The 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:30
video. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:30
>> Oh my God, no, that was a long time ago. I mean, even the picture was like, you know, somebody sitting there with a chisel and stone. 

Jenny, thanks so 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:41
>> Respect then. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:42
much. 

Jenny C. Cohen 1:25:42
Thank you for having me, Rich. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:44
>> Thank God. 

Rich Bennett 1:25:45
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