Dan Vaysburd on Addiction, Fitness, and a Life Rebuilt

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Rich Bennett 1:00
All right, so unfortunately Wendy can't join me on this episode, but we have a young man who I want to say now he is a, uh, it's not now. He is a certified personal trainer and a nutrition coach, which I'm going to have to get him on another time to talk about that because 

man, I love talking nutrition. I have Dan Voss bird on. That's 

Dan Vaysburd 1:28
right. You got to rich. 

Rich Bennett 1:29
All right. Yeah, Dan, you're going to have to come back on again because ever since I've been losing weight and while I'm sure you know on this diets don't really work, but because there's so many different diets. I think it's the nutrition part. Counting your calories and everything. Am I right there? 

Dan Vaysburd 1:47
It's got to be a lifestyle and not a diet, so it's got to be something instincts you for life. 

Rich Bennett 1:52
Thank you. Thank you. That's why you got to come back on because I've been pushing at the people and they're like, oh no, I did this diet. It worked and I'm back on it again. Well, if it worked, then you wouldn't need to be back on it again. 

Dan Vaysburd 2:03
Exactly. 

Rich Bennett 2:04
Playing in simple. All right, so Dan, I just want to get right into it with your story and addiction. Actually, how old you when you realized that you had an addiction problem and when did it start? 

Dan Vaysburd 2:21
It took me a long time actually, so I'll be 30 in July. I didn't realize I had a problem until my late 20s. So I started out in addiction from a very young age. My first addiction growing as an only child in the immigrant family in suburban New Jersey was video games. really isolated and different from other kids in my age and school. I didn't relate to my parents a lot because I was more Americanized than them. I didn't relate to my peers a lot because I was more more foreign and not as American as them. So I was kind of 

Rich Bennett 3:00
I 

Dan Vaysburd 3:00
going to rock in a hard place. I couldn't really find my crowd. So I had my first issues in addiction from a very young age. Starting around the age of 7. I would play video games for hours and hours on ends. I wouldn't take breaks. I played until my hands were claiming I wouldn't use the bathroom. But I was too young to realize I had an addiction. I was 

Rich Bennett 3:23
deep 

Dan Vaysburd 3:23
in addiction. I think that was one of my worst addictions because when I got to my later substance use addictions. I don't remember ever using them for as long or as intense as I did video games as a kid. So that was my first addiction. But I had no idea what was going on at the time. 

Rich Bennett 3:39
Right, 

Dan Vaysburd 3:39
No idea that there isn't an Internet growing inside me later with my mother passed when I was 17 years old. That addiction transformed into a substance use problem. Sorry, I started smoking marijuana. Marijuana became my gateway drug. Marijuana escalated to alcohol. Ever when I started university, I started experimenting with harder drugs. A cocaine and ecstasy. As part of the music festival scene going to concerts, raves and the like. And that continued all for a while. But this entire time I didn't think I had a problem with addiction. I thought it was normal. I thought it was cool even. And it was part of my identity. It was a part of how I identified myself. Like I liked using drugs. I liked the effect produced by that one. Most importantly. I like connecting with other people who are also using drugs. So I was using substances as a medium to connect with people. Just like I used video games at Shal doesn't mean to connect to people as well. So this entire time up until around age 27 or 28. When I started recovery, I didn't think I had a problem at all. It was 

Rich Bennett 4:44
right, 

Dan Vaysburd 4:44
only 

Rich Bennett 4:44
right. 

Dan Vaysburd 4:44
until I became addicted to a person. When I was 28 years old and the drugs and alcohol were no longer working that I realized that I had a problem. And I started recovery. I started going in meetings. I found a sponsor etc etc. So it took me almost my whole life essentially to realize, oh wow, actually. I'll have an addict nature. 

Rich Bennett 5:04
wow, and now you're celebrating, what, two years or one year. 

Dan Vaysburd 5:08
I just took my one year cake last week, 

Rich Bennett 5:12
so May 20th. Okay, 

Dan Vaysburd 5:12
this is my so 

Rich Bennett 5:14
good. 

Dan Vaysburd 5:14
May 21st, 2024. 

Rich Bennett 5:17
Wow. 

Dan Vaysburd 5:39
Yeah, so my journey was unique in some sense and that I'd never been to rehab, never been to detox, I've never even been arrested, never been to jail. I don't have the typical recovery story. So my recovery was self-imposed because I realized that I had run out of options for, 

Rich Bennett 6:00
yeah, 

Dan Vaysburd 6:01
quietly that interacting inside me. Substances where I'm working people were working and so I started my recovery in February of 2024. I had a sponsor I was doing the steps, going to meetings. Trying to keep myself busy as well. I was almost like a workaholic. I was trying to just stay busy with works I wouldn't have time to use or find a 

Rich Bennett 6:24
right 

Dan Vaysburd 6:24
to use, but I was too early in my recovery in order to be protected and have an alternate solution towards using. So in May of 2024 I went to the music festival, relapsed, but I had enough recovery and good sense to get back on the wagon. And so since then I haven't used or drink or used any mind altering substances and finished my 12 steps to end of last year and now I have some sponsors, commitments, et So it wasn't smooth sailing for sure, but after those three months my habits had any any slips and life is 

Rich Bennett 7:02
good. 

Dan Vaysburd 7:03
Life is amazing. 

Rich Bennett 7:04
All right. So and Craig are you for wrong because we talked earlier you're in LA now. 

Dan Vaysburd 7:10
That's right. 

Rich Bennett 7:10
Right. So is the recovery starting LA or was it on the East Coast? 

Dan Vaysburd 7:16
It started in LA. 

Rich Bennett 7:18
Yeah. Starting in LA. 

Dan Vaysburd 7:19
That's right. 

Rich Bennett 7:20
Okay. I take you went to university out there. 

Dan Vaysburd 7:22
Yeah. So I moved from New Jersey to LA when I was when I just turned 18. 

Rich Bennett 7:28
Okay. 

Dan Vaysburd 7:28
I stayed in LA for a university graduate school. So almost six years. Then I moved to New York to start work, which is 

Rich Bennett 7:36
Wow. 

Dan Vaysburd 7:37
where the where my addiction is probably at its peak New York is kind of like a playground for adults, in a sense, whatever your addiction is it's there. Like it's available. 

Rich Bennett 7:48
Right. 

Dan Vaysburd 7:48
So that was probably my peak. I stayed in New York for four years. Then I came back to LA in 2022 and I've been here since and then in 2024. I started recovery. So all of my recovery has been in LA. 

Rich Bennett 8:01
All right. So let me get this straight. And you got your degree from college, right? 

Dan Vaysburd 8:05
That's right. 

Rich Bennett 8:06
The whole time when you were going to college, you were in addiction. But 

Dan Vaysburd 8:11
I 

Rich Bennett 8:11
you, 

Dan Vaysburd 8:12
was but my addiction was still in its early stages as we know addiction. 

Rich Bennett 8:17
Right. 

Dan Vaysburd 8:17
Progressive disease. 

Rich Bennett 8:19
Yeah. 

Dan Vaysburd 8:19
I was getting started. When I was in college, it was clear from the get go that I was a blackout drinker. Almost every time I 

Rich Bennett 8:26
was 

Dan Vaysburd 8:27
I was I was blacking out or looking to blackout. So it was clear. That's there's something wrong with me from the get 

Rich Bennett 8:35
right 

Dan Vaysburd 8:36
to other people. Not to me. I thought it was normal. If not cool, I thought it was totally 

Rich Bennett 8:42
wow. 

Dan Vaysburd 8:43
So my addiction was still in its infancy, but there were signs from the beginning that there was a problem. 

Rich Bennett 8:50
All right. So when you graduated from college or university, what what did you get your degree in? Was that nutrition? 

Dan Vaysburd 8:57
I had a degree in mechanical engineering. Actually, I wanted to study something. 

Rich Bennett 9:01
Wow. Okay. 

Dan Vaysburd 9:02
So that was safe. That could potentially lead to a profitable career because as an addict, I've also always craved like safety and security. Like most 

Rich Bennett 9:13
right 

Dan Vaysburd 9:13
to do. I think that's the human condition as well. Not just for addicts. But I wanted something that was safe, secure, prestigious, can make a lot of money. So that was my first degree using mechanical engineering. Then I did a graduate degree in financial engineering, so I wanted to follow my dad's footsteps and work in finance. And that's what ended with me back in New York, working in the financial services space. 

Rich Bennett 9:36
You just love the stressful jobs, don't you? 

Dan Vaysburd 9:38
I know, like looking back, like I made like decisions that were imposing a lot of undue stress on me, for sure. 

Rich Bennett 9:47
So, all right. So when did the fitness and the nutrition come into play? 

Dan Vaysburd 9:51
So in the background, this entire time ever since turning 18, I had fun and loved with the gym. So what I wasn't 

Rich Bennett 10:00
okay, 

Dan Vaysburd 10:00
And then I went to the class room, or in the office, or in the, or out of concert, or using I was out the gym it was something I did every day. I was at the gym more than I was, uh, oftentimes more than I was working or using it was my number one passion, in life it 

Rich Bennett 10:17
right. 

Dan Vaysburd 10:17
kind of outshined everything and it's probably the only reason that I'm alive today if I didn't have strength training. I was just a distance training in general as my backbone I probably would have just slipped so far into my addiction that it is unlikely that I'd even be alive today or even, uh, able to speak on this podcast. So 

Rich Bennett 10:41
that, 

Dan Vaysburd 10:41
that's something 

Rich Bennett 10:42
wow, 

Dan Vaysburd 10:42
we's remained in the background. So I got really into fitness also after my mother passed. Um, and then I really started to focus on it in university. On the later when I was at financial services professional, and then in parallel with my recovery journey I should mention that what sparked my interest in recovery, uh, was not just getting over my addiction to a person, but also realizing that if I wanted to leave the corporate space and no longer be a desk worker and pursue my dream of being a personal trainer, I would have to drop my vices. I couldn't keep drinking and using on the weekends and then tell people how to eat and how to work out. So fitness, which is something that I'd been developing for over a decade at the time, sort of became the gateway to my recovery as well. 

Rich Bennett 11:34
and, and that's a good addiction to have, I guess you could say 

Dan Vaysburd 11:37
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 11:37
in a way the fitness part. 

Dan Vaysburd 11:39
Mm 

Rich Bennett 11:39
hmm. All right, so when did the nutrition part come into play or was that all door into fitness? 

Dan Vaysburd 11:46
Nutrition is not really something I focused into maybe around 10 years into my fitness journey because as a, 

Rich Bennett 11:54
Okay. 

Dan Vaysburd 11:54
as a young man getting into fitness, I just I was on a seafood diet, whatever I saw. Goses. 

Rich Bennett 12:01
Yup. 

Dan Vaysburd 12:02
See it. I eat it like I didn't really care and that showed in my results. I was always strong and I was building muscle quickly and people were noticing but didn't really have a physique that stood out. Then when I, um, perhaps from my first bodybuilding show back in 2023, I finally learned how to count macros like you mentioned earlier track my, 

Rich Bennett 12:23
mmm, 

Dan Vaysburd 12:23
calories and actually, log my food. So that was a real game changer for me was actually logging and tracking my food that really changed the way I was looking at something 

Rich Bennett 12:33
yeah, 

Dan Vaysburd 12:33
that experimented within the past. I went on trips before where I wanted to look good and I started to track my calories and I realized how much of a difference it was making. So when I started doing bodybuilding shows two years ago, that's not really saw the effect that actually prioritizing nutrition was making on my physique and my performance. 

Rich Bennett 12:54
And here it is now your recovery. You're a, you help others with fitness and nutrition. You probably feel the best you ever have, don't you? 

Dan Vaysburd 13:04
Yeah, absolutely. I feel like my life is totally aligned with my purpose. I 

Rich Bennett 13:09
Mm-hmm. 

Dan Vaysburd 13:09
don't feel like there's any misalignment or confusion. It's definitely not easy. Like having to, uh, having to balance all these different obligations with my 

Rich Bennett 13:19
Right. 

Dan Vaysburd 13:20
career and with recovery and with life. Some days are really really damn hard, but it is definitely the best I've ever felt overall. 

Rich Bennett 13:28
Now, now when you say your career, but you're still your career is strictly just the fitness and nutrition part now, right? 

Dan Vaysburd 13:35
That's right. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 13:36
Okay, I was going to say God, I hope you're not doing that financial stuff. Still. 

Dan Vaysburd 13:40
No, not in. 

Rich Bennett 13:41
I was going to be like, just money in general can be stressful as hell. 

Dan Vaysburd 13:47
Yeah, I can lead you down the wrong path. 

Rich Bennett 13:49
Yeah. And you definitely don't want that. And I said we weren't going to talk nutrition, but it. We have to because it is part of your story. 

Dan Vaysburd 13:58
let's do 

Rich Bennett 13:59
And I think that with what you're doing now and you say you are now sponsoring people yourself, 

Dan Vaysburd 14:07
that's right. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 14:09
How many people have you met that are in recovery or your themselves that you are now training and helping them get fit and help them with their nutrition. Anybody yet yet? I say yet. 

Dan Vaysburd 14:23
Yeah. It's funny. I'm my workplace. I've met a number of people who are in recovery in different 12 step programs, AA or NA or. 

Rich Bennett 14:31
Right. 

Dan Vaysburd 14:32
Okay, so it's been pretty awesome. I feel like when you're in recovery, you tend to draw those kind of people to you and you end up crossing past a lot of those kind of people, even when you're not in meetings or in fellowship, you end up kind of drawing those people in. So I've had the great pleasure of training a number of people or on their own recovery journeys and having that common 

Rich Bennett 14:55
Good. 

Dan Vaysburd 14:55
denominator of them is huge. 

Rich Bennett 14:58
I was gonna say because I could with what you do to me. It would be needed in like the recovery homes, the rehab centers and all that because I think when it comes to recovery, nutrition and fitness are a key thing. You need to have it because once you start feeling better, not just in the part, but you know, you're fitness wise and what you're eating. I just think that just makes the recovery go along even easier, I would say. 

Dan Vaysburd 15:34
absolutely. Yeah, I've had the good fortune of working part time at one of my friends detox centers and helping the 

Rich Bennett 15:44
Oh, 

Dan Vaysburd 15:45
patients of their train just with body weight and simple exercises and the effect that has on them is noticeable and it's huge. And I think pairing recovery in the traditional sense with fitness, like you mentioned, is such a game changer. I think it makes the recovery much more enjoyable. 

Rich Bennett 16:07
All right, now with the nutrition part, explain to everybody because you're a nutrition coach, so you know the shit. The difference between, well, you know what Scrooge, just tell my most of your diets don't really work. It's the lifestyle that you gotta do. 

Dan Vaysburd 16:27
Yeah, I would say the reason that most diets do not work is that they're not sustainable because even if a diet does work temporarily and it gets you to the body composition that you want or the goal weight that you want, if that diet is not something that you can do for life and inevitably you're gonna slip back into your regular routine and you're gonna end up eating the same foods and having the same nutrition patterns that got you to work where you don't want to be in the first place. So that's why most diets won't work is that they're not sustainable. 

Rich Bennett 17:03
Right. 

Dan Vaysburd 17:04
In order to be effective, a nutrition plan has to be sustainable and the word diet is typically temporary. That's why 

Rich Bennett 17:12
work, 

Dan Vaysburd 17:12
it doesn't like even when professionals are dieting for a bodybuilding shower or photoshoot, that kind of eating is not sustainable. So typically see competitors in these spaces or models that their weight will balloon following, following a share or a photoshoot. With proper nutrition, you need to eating patterns that are sustainable for life and that you can 

Rich Bennett 17:38
Right. 

Dan Vaysburd 17:38
maintain because of that way, once you got into your goal physique or weight or body composition, you can maintain and even improve that because the habits that you're building and the nutrition plan that you have is sustainable. That's why diets in general are really difficult to maintain for a long period of time, just by virtue of the name diet. It's not sustainable. It might be really strict, like you might be, you might be excluding all carbs or excluding all sugars, neither of which is sustainable. Like, you need sugar, you need fruits, and you 

Rich Bennett 18:13
Yeah. 

Dan Vaysburd 18:13
need carbs. It's a good tap, sources of carbs like oatmeal or potatoes or rice. So any of these exclusionary diets or in general diets that restrict you in non-standable way are not good long term. 

Rich Bennett 18:30
Thank you because I and I've tried a couple different diets. Do I lose weight? Yeah. Then you stop the diet. You put it back on. 

Dan Vaysburd 18:39
Yep. 

Rich Bennett 18:39
Ever since I started counting my calories and changing my lifestyle, now granted, I do have to get back to the strength training because I'm sitting on my ass all day, unfortunately. When you're counting calories, you can lose the weight pretty fast, but and I noticed this the other day, Memorial Day, we had a cookout and my nephew was over here, he's 16 and I always get the kids that play mercy where you grab each other's hands and try to get the other ones, boy, whip my ass. I did not have the like I used to. It's like, okay, I need to start working on this. And the sad thing is, I'm looking to the right and I see all the equipment over there. I got my resistance tubes there and they're just looking at me saying, "Get off your ass and use us." I definitely need to. Now, when it come with your business being the nutritional coach and fitness, do you actually have your own place or is it any gym where you help 

Dan Vaysburd 19:47
people at? I work at a commercial gym where I help people and I'm actually on the management track at that commercial gym, so soon I'll 

Rich Bennett 19:54
manager. 

Dan Vaysburd 19:54
be a students at my gym. So that's a direction my career is heading. I've had thoughts of having my own personal gym, but I think right now the corporate route makes the most sense to me, cuz it blends my past experience in the corporate space. 

Rich Bennett 20:25
But, you know, when you can learn the business, cuz, I mean every business is different, but I would think a lot of your gym is almost, especially the corporate ones, probably almost follow the same model. Maybe, maybe not. So, um, yeah, get that experience in there. You're a young man. You 

Dan Vaysburd 20:46
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 20:46
got plenty of time. Plenty of time. So actually, with your story and everything that you're doing now, cuz I think it's awesome. Um, have you thought about writing a book or anything, or even starting a podcast about it? 

Dan Vaysburd 21:01
I've definitely thought about writing a book. I do like to write in general, and I have a 

Rich Bennett 21:05
You 

Dan Vaysburd 21:05
good 

Rich Bennett 21:06
should. 

Dan Vaysburd 21:06
friend of mine who has a similar journey to me, uh, going from living a party lifestyle to a lifestyle centered around fitness. And... 

Rich Bennett 21:16
Really? 

Dan Vaysburd 21:16
Yeah. So, I've, I've actually thought about writing a book, for sure. 

Rich Bennett 21:21
Have you guys thought about teaming up together and going to different places and talk to people? 

Dan Vaysburd 21:26
Potentially, yeah. I mean, the guy, the guy I'm thinking about, he's a little bit farther along in his journey, but yeah, it's something I've thought about for sure. I definitely would love to share my story to more people, cuz I do it a lot in the rooms already, but I want to also make sure that my story reaches people who are not necessarily in recovery 

Rich Bennett 21:45
Yeah. 

Dan Vaysburd 21:45
or not necessarily addicts or alcoholic. So that's kind of why I'm here on this podcast as well with your riches. I want to be able to share my story with people who might not otherwise be able to hear it. Uh, but yeah, that's definitely something I thought about. 

Rich Bennett 21:57
I think, I think in all honesty, because when you mentioned your addiction, your first addiction was video games. Starting at seven. 

Dan Vaysburd 22:06
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 22:07
I would, I would probably reach out to like the middle schools on up and go speak there, because 

Dan Vaysburd 22:17
yeah, 

Rich Bennett 22:17
yeah. I mean, it's with you, it started at a very young age and I've known of other people where their addiction started without a halt, like 12 o'clock out 12 o'clock at 12 years old. Um, and then progressed even further in the high school. 

Dan Vaysburd 22:36
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 22:37
I, I think now with the legal legalization of some drugs and everything. 

Yeah, I definitely need to get out there and you think about it, especially with the schools. The guys that are playing football, wrestling and everything, they're really into the fitness, but some of them go off that track. 

Dan Vaysburd 23:01
Uh-huh. 

Rich Bennett 23:02
And we'll head into addiction and you got to, you have a both ways because you can talk to them. You, you're, you live the addiction part, but you're also doing the fitness part, too. And people see that kids see that and they're like, hey, this guy ain't shitting around. He's telling us the truth. He's not just somebody coming in here blowing smoke up our ass. 

Dan Vaysburd 23:26
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 23:27
Yeah, I, yeah, I would really look into that. I think you should. 

Dan Vaysburd 23:30
That's actually a great idea. I've never actually thought about going to schools, speak about addiction in parallel with fitness. That's, that's never even crossed my mind. I do have fellows who do go to certain schools to speak about addiction, but actually combining the two and going to speak to athletes, maybe a middle schools or high schools. That's 

Rich Bennett 23:49
Yeah. 

Dan Vaysburd 23:50
phenomenal idea. So thank you for that. 

Rich Bennett 23:53
Because you see, I mean, I do know athletes that'll go to schools, but they're talking about bullying. That's the main thing they're talking about. 

Dan Vaysburd 24:01
You 

Rich Bennett 24:01
know, and technically in a way, even though you, you really weren't bullied, but still you felt left out when you were a kid. Yeah, which is why do you know the video games and you think about how many kids in school feel left 

Dan Vaysburd 24:16
out 

Rich Bennett 24:16
know, 

Dan Vaysburd 24:16
a lot for 

Rich Bennett 24:18
yeah, yeah, especially after that COVID 

Dan Vaysburd 24:21
sure. 

Rich Bennett 24:21
part, 

Dan Vaysburd 24:22
Yeah, you 

Rich Bennett 24:22
you know, a lot. A lot of people do what you said something very important because you do training, but don't you also do it virtually as well, not just in person. 

Dan Vaysburd 24:36
Yeah, I do offer a virtual training to select number of people right now, but right now the focus is on in person training still 

Rich Bennett 24:44
in person training. Okay, tell everybody your website and how they can get in touch with you because people when he, when he gives you the website, go check it out and you'll see, he knows what the hell he's talking about. 

Dan Vaysburd 24:59
Yeah, my website is, uh, danvicebord.com. And my Instagram is Dan Dob Vicebord. So that's just my first name, that my last name, last name is V-Y-S-B-U-R-D. So you can reach me through either of those channels. 

Rich Bennett 25:18
Alright, so Dan, before I get to my last question, is there anything, eh, and I'm turning it over to you, the floor is yours, anything you would like to add? 

Dan Vaysburd 25:30
Yeah, I would say, it's all the listeners and viewers out there. You can only balance a life with good addictions and bad addictions for so long. You might think that you can get away with your bad addictions, like drugs and alcohol or other vices, by having some good addictions, whether it's fitness or even work, your high-performer, your job. You can only do that for so long. Eventually, your bad addictions will catch up to you. It's not something that you can just balance out. After some time, your bad addictions will catch up, and that's when your life will start to spiral out of your control. So, it's up to you, not if, but when you want to recover, because if you don't choose to recover, your life will eventually reach not just one, the series of rock bottoms that I don't wish upon anyone. So, the choice is yours to get rid of your bad addictions and your vices for good. It's not something that you can maintain for any considerable period of time. 

Rich Bennett 26:40
I love that. Alright. So, you're ready for this? I'm going to go deep here. 

So, when it comes to everybody's got regrets. Anybody that says they have no regrets, then they didn't learn from them. What is one regret that you learned something from? 

Dan Vaysburd 26:59
I think one big regret I have is not being there more for my mother before she passed. At the time when I was 16, 17 and she was essentially on her deathbed in hospice, I was so self-absorbed and so concerned with my own problems that I wasn't fully able to be there for her. I was more focused on having fun with my friends, I also started daobling with substances at that point, with marijuana and alcohol. I was also immersed in my video game and online community addiction. So, I was just much more self-absorbed with myself than with my own dime other. And if there's one big regret I have, it's just not being more present for her. Granted, I was still a child at that point. But that just sticks with you for the rest of your life when you're unable to be there for the person who's always cared about you most. So, that's one regret I have and so, my living amends and my way to make that right. As much as I can it's just to be there for my dad who thankfully is still alive to this day. And also just be there for my friends and other people who are still in my life who may be going through troubles of their own. So, that's one way I try to make it right. 

Rich Bennett 28:18
that's awesome. Dan, I want to thank you so much, congratulations, keep it going, don't stop. And, you know, I would seriously look into doing the schools because you got a lot to offer and the book, too, man. Matter 

Dan Vaysburd 28:33
Yeah, 

Rich Bennett 28:33
of fact, once the book's done, you got to come back on and pitch the book. 

Dan Vaysburd 28:38
I'd love to do that. 

Rich Bennett 28:39
Yeah, without a doubt and I have a funny feeling you're going to be on again because one of the things we've talked about is doing a virtual roundtable on recovery. We've done them in person, oh yeah, people can learn from each other, so it means a lot. So, Dan, thanks so much, man. 

Dan Vaysburd 29:00
Thank you, Rich. This was awesome. I really appreciate you. 

Rich Bennett 29:03
Thanks. 

Rich Bennett 29:04
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